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09-21-2019 , 09:36 AM

Yeodan

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 151.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 8.47, PFR: 5.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 59)
BB: 128.5 BB (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 13.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
UTG: 101 BB
Hero (MP): 113 BB
CO: 134.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, BTN bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 19 BB, BTN raises to 149.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 92 BB and is all-in

Good spot the check/raise this flop?
Do we call the all-in?

I think I have enough equity vs villain's possible holdings here to make this call?

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09-21-2019 , 09:50 AM

Zuko

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Yeah i am probably not folding.

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09-21-2019 , 09:50 AM

dubakkur2

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raise to min 3bb pre
if you are still doing this min raise **** - sorry

yes good spot.
snap call. probably a coin toss

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09-21-2019 , 10:07 AM

Tightnitreg1

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Not folding,

Why the check raise instead of cbetting?

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09-21-2019 , 10:55 AM

Yeodan

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Originally Posted by ramonnieflex

Not folding,

Why the check raise instead of cbetting?

flush draw + straight draw is almost always a check/raise out of position

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09-21-2019 , 11:20 AM

Tightnitreg1

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Originally Posted by Yeodan

flush draw + straight draw is almost always a check/raise out of position

Cool, why?

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09-21-2019 , 11:22 AM

Yeodan

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Originally Posted by ramonnieflex

Cool, why?

Because SpitSuit said so!

Not exactly sure, but I guess it's to protect our checking range and to balance our raising range.
These hands with plenty of equity so they are good candidates for bluffs.

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09-21-2019 , 11:28 AM

Tightnitreg1

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Originally Posted by Yeodan

to balance our raising range.

Why would you want to check/raise a value hand with initiative? Why not just barrel?

U sure he wasnt talking about when you dont have the initiative? Like after defending the BB?

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09-21-2019 , 11:31 AM

Yeodan

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I don't consider this a value hand, I have 50% at best if villain has anything

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09-21-2019 , 11:36 AM

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Tightnitreg1

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Originally Posted by Yeodan

I don't consider this a value hand, I have 50% at best if villain has anything

Exactly, like other thread youre x/r bluffing in a spot where you dont x/r for value.

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09-21-2019 , 11:39 AM

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BobbyPeru

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Originally Posted by Yeodan

Because SpitSuit said so!

Not exactly sure, but I guess it's to protect our checking range and to balance our raising range.
These hands with plenty of equity so they are good candidates for bluffs.

There is no hope for this kid. SMH.

I prefer cbet. AP, I prefer call against pot bet size. If you don´t mind just getting it all in otf, which is fine, then just live with the results man.

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09-21-2019 , 11:39 AM

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Yeodan

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Originally Posted by ramonnieflex

Exactly, like other thread youre x/r bluffing in a spot where you dont x/r for value.

Which would be a problem if I was trying to play GTO or even balance my game, which I'm not.

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09-21-2019 , 11:43 AM

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Tightnitreg1

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Originally Posted by Yeodan

Which would be a problem if I was trying to play GTO or even balance my game, which I'm not.

Oh right so when you make a play that makes no sense its "to protect our checking range and balance raises" but then when it turns out you dont have value raises and youre still unbalanced AF here then you suddenly dont care about balance anymore. Lol.

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09-21-2019 , 11:45 AM

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Yeodan

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Originally Posted by ramonnieflex

I'm check/raising because I think villain is over-folding and has no clue about any of the stuff that is being said here.

Why would I play a value hand in the same way I play a bluff if I think villain will not adjust to it?

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09-21-2019 , 11:46 AM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by Yeodan

Which would be a problem if I was trying to play GTO or even balance my game, which I'm not.

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Originally Posted by Yeodan

I guess it's to protect our checking range and to balance our raising range.

what the ****?

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There is no hope for this kid.

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09-21-2019 , 11:49 AM

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.isolated

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I don't hate the flop play fwiw and obviously call off to the jam. I imagine it's profitable and very close to 0ev.

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09-21-2019 , 12:08 PM

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.isolated

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and this is you making a fool of yourself again:

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I don't consider this a value hand, I have 50% at best if villain has anything

we have 55% vs. AJs. we have 56% vs. QJs. we have 59% vs. J9s/T9s. we have easy double/triple barrel opportunities vs. Tx that decides to call down if it xb otf plus it builds the pot for when we hit. Your thinking is so fundamentally flawed and the fact your ego won't let you let people help you while at $2nl is hilarious and why you'll never ever win. But I've said it before, I sincerely hope you're trolling and actually playing much higher.

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09-21-2019 , 12:34 PM

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I would rather bet the flop, and I guess I would call the shove. Not really happy about it.

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09-21-2019 , 01:38 PM

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Raddad101213

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Fd+sd+2 overs=nutz

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09-21-2019 , 05:20 PM

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bincrushin?

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Against a standard BTN flatting range with AA added if V was tricky, you still have around 65% equity OTF, against fish you may have more than that. After all the action, V having a set is the worst news. Against the rest of his range you are doing okay.

I would bet flop and call jam.

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09-21-2019 , 06:34 PM

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Real_

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Check raising or check calling flop are both fine, but there isn't much incentive to be check raising this board a bunch, especially for a 4x raise (bit large m8), since villian can have all the strong hands in their range.

Villian would need to have only sets and two pairs for you to fold to the all-in.

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09-21-2019 , 11:37 PM

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Brokenstars

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x/c

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