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Originally Posted by Tones1010
Not sure that in a vacuum exists as whatever line you take is going to be influenced by the dynamics of who you're playing against, but I think what you mean by this is a TAGish/competent player so I'll provide an answer for both.
I think the play up until the turn is fine (though a bigger size on the flop would probably be preferable here). On the turn I'd like to bet 1/3 - 1/2 pot and I'm responding differently to different player types here based on the action.
I'm calling a raise OTT from this particular villain because they have a rather large range here that you beat and are prone to just jamming over the top with lots of overboard and/or flush draw combos. I don't think they are as likely to have AA/KK here because these types tend to just quickly jam PF. Against a more TAGish/competent player I would probably make a tight fold. Their range will be heavily weighted towards hand that have you in trouble and probably aren't bluffing this spot very often given that you 4-bet PF and you're range is super strong.
If both player types call, Against this villain I'm checking any A/K/spade and shoving anything else and against the TAG I'm checking all boards. Against both villains I'm probably folding to bets on these boards I check. The villain here is absolutely never bluffing, but I'm really not sure a TAGish player is going to load up a bluff here often enough to make it profitable. They know at this point you're range is basically QQ+ and are getting ONLY QQ to fold to a shove (which they will assume is going to be hard for many people to do). It's going to be more likely that they have AKs and actually hit the flush at the end.
Thanks for your comment! I'm very inexperienced with 4b pots as I enjoy SnG's more and these tend to contain more shortstack play. I play cash-games to work a bit more on deep-stack play + I learn something new
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I also found that I used to overbluff at these stakes, so recently I started applying a new habbit: I ask myself: "Is this where the money is?" -- Which makes me think twice before trying to bluff a fish for example.
Now as I lack the experience in these 4b pots do you suggest just overfolding QQ (and maybe even KK) at these stakes vs competent players since it is never a bluff?
In other words, should I just fold hands like the one below because it's not where our profit comes from?
PokerStars Zoom,
Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 9 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker
UTG: $1.70 (85 bb)
UTG+1: $2.09 (105 bb)
MP: $5.16 (258 bb)
MP+1: $3.35 (168 bb)
LP: $3.22 (161 bb)
CO: $2.00 (100 bb)
BU: $3.16 (158 bb)
SB (Hero): $2.00 (100 bb)
BB: $3.67 (184 bb)
Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with Q
♠ Q
♥
2 players fold,
MP raises to $0.06,
1 fold, LP calls $0.06,
2 players fold,
Hero 3-bets to $0.30,
1 fold,
MP 4-bets to $0.54,
1 fold,
Hero calls $0.24
Flop: ($1.16) 2
♣ 3
♦ 9
♦ (2 players)
Hero checks,
MP bets $0.60,
Hero calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.36) 2
♦ (2 players)
Hero checks,
MP bets $1.14,
Hero calls $0.86 (all-in)
River: ($4.08) 9
♠ (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $4.08 (Rake: $0.14)
Showdown:
MP shows A
♥ A
♦ (two pair, Aces and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 92%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)
SB (Hero) shows Q
♠ Q
♥ (two pair, Queens and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)
MP wins $3.94