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03-23-2018 , 07:07 PM

88melonhead88

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No reads on this guy as playing 2NL Zoom - any thoughts?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: $2.02
Hero (BB): $5.52
UTG: $0.82
MP: $2.00
CO: $7.38 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 10.61, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 69)

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A

fold, MP raises to $0.05, CO calls $0.05, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.16, 3 players) 9

Hero checks, MP bets $0.08, fold, Hero calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.32, 2 players) T

Hero checks, MP bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

River: ($0.64, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, MP bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42

Thanks

Last edited by 88melonhead88; 03-23-2018 at 07:29 PM. Reason: Removed results

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03-24-2018 , 12:57 AM

shynepo3

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I call

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03-24-2018 , 04:38 AM

Andy Art

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I think people underbluff river here at NL2. the regs aren't competent enough to have bluffranges often and passive players are valueheavy. You also have the flushdraw blocker.... Curious what others think

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03-24-2018 , 05:56 AM

GiG_GordonGekko

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Originally Posted by Andy Art

OP, listen to him

when against an unknown, use population read

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03-24-2018 , 01:43 PM

88melonhead88

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Originally Posted by GiG_GordonGekko

OP, listen to him

when against an unknown, use population read

I’m trying to train myself to let my one pair hands go in these situations, easier said than done!

Thanks for the input, much appreciated!

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03-24-2018 , 01:52 PM

Andy Art

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Glad to help

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03-24-2018 , 02:17 PM

JamesBJames

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Think it's really close. If we have JT or T9s or something I imagine we'd c/r turn against a 1/2 PSB, so AJ isn't super low in our range. We also still beat a small part of villain's potential value betting range.

On the other hand, we block the most obvious triple barrel bluffs, and I assume the 2NL population is ridiculously underbluffed in this spot anyway.

I guess I... call? Overfolding is great in general at micros, but I think I have to fold too much here (KT, QT, T8s, Q9s, QJ, KJ, lots of flush draws) for me to want to fold TPTK.

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03-24-2018 , 02:19 PM

.isolated

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You gotta fold river. It looks like a JT type hand that was scared ott and when you didn't raise, he was confident to go for more value otr.

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03-24-2018 , 02:52 PM

Risso

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Originally Posted by .isolated

You gotta fold river. It looks like a JT type hand that was scared ott and when you didn't raise, he was confident to go for more value otr.

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03-24-2018 , 03:43 PM

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.isolated

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I'm sorry?

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03-24-2018 , 03:55 PM

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VALIS

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Extremely standard call IMO, the only way this could possibly be a fold is if you're never checkraising anything for value on the flop or turn and therefore have all your best hands as well as this.
Ad is not as relevant as other diamonds when facing a three barrel

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03-24-2018 , 04:35 PM

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88melonhead88

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Originally Posted by .isolated

You gotta fold river. It looks like a JT type hand that was scared ott and when you didn't raise, he was confident to go for more value otr.

Do you think then it would be more optimal to check raise turn here? I’m still not great on the concept of “ranges” etc so apologies if this is really simple stuff but I just can’t see us getting these guys off a 2p+ hand

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03-24-2018 , 05:34 PM

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Andy Art

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Originally Posted by Risso

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He added something to the discussion. If you don't want to, be quiet

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03-24-2018 , 05:41 PM

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shynepo3

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OP did u call and lose?

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03-24-2018 , 05:54 PM

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88melonhead88

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Originally Posted by shynepo3

OP did u call and lose?

Without giving away results...

Yea.

Check/called down to river - everything in me was screaming "get the money in, ruin this fish" but I'm trying to train myself to avoid clinging onto TPTK hands, especially in the face of multiple streets action.

However, I'm starting to wonder whether a little cheeky check/raise somewhere might be of use in these hands. Would give me more an idea of where i stand in the hand, especially when OOP.

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03-24-2018 , 06:11 PM

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CrazyAndy27s

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Classic FR style exploit fold situation. The problem is that they don’t necessarily value bet worse and they don’t necessarily show up with bluffs at this limit either.

To counter underbluffing, we overfold the river quite a lot and if we suspect a river bet, we start to fold on the turn with slightly more hands like KT too.

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03-24-2018 , 06:23 PM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by 88melonhead88

Think of hands that will get all-in if they decide to 3-bet. They're going to be hands that beat you the majority of the time. Sometimes someone will go spastic with QJ but other than that, you really don't beat anything. He has all of the nutty hands aside from maybe 22/Q8 and we have a pair. It feels like we're bluffing if we raise ott and our hand is too strong to bluff.

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03-24-2018 , 07:37 PM

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Risso

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Originally Posted by Andy Art

He added something to the discussion. If you don't want to, be quiet

Sorry. Just misinterpreted @iso post. FWIW we're underbluffed as you say in this spot but it's still hard to find a fold in this spot

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03-24-2018 , 07:40 PM

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88melonhead88

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Should AJo be in my preflop 3bet range OOP? That could have averted the problem altogether

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03-24-2018 , 07:56 PM

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Risso

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This is not a problem. Just think about the amount of times v has QJ,KJ etc. 3beting is more vs v that opens wide and calls wide

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03-24-2018 , 08:06 PM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by 88melonhead88

Should AJo be in my preflop 3bet range OOP? That could have averted the problem altogether

You'll want hands that flop better when you're squeezing an EP/MP open. Hands that make top pair/overpairs a lot and suited hands that you can barrel with (67s) or suited hands with a blocker (A5s). When he makes it 2.5x pre from MP, we should be calling a lot of hands and 3-betting really strong hands or obvious bluffs.

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