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Old 08-10-2018, 03:02 PM   #1
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2nl - Is too thin going for 3 streets here?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 111.5 BB
SB: 76.5 BB
BB: 100 BB
Hero (UTG): 106 BB
MP: 55.5 BB
CO: 113.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 6 7 J
Hero bets 4.5 BB, MP calls 4.5 BB

Turn: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 10.5 BB, MP calls 10.5 BB

River: (37.5 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 14 BB, MP raises to 37.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 23.5 BB,


Villain is a fish, on the river I was planning to bet/fold but after his raise I saw that pot odds was good and decided to call, how would you play this hand? should I take a different line on any street?
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:08 PM   #2
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Re: 2nl - Is too thin going for 3 streets here?

it's alright but shove river when you have around a psb left
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:31 PM   #3
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Re: 2nl - Is too thin going for 3 streets here?

I'd check the flop
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:48 PM   #4
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Re: 2nl - Is too thin going for 3 streets here?

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I'd check the flop
I think this is a fairly substantial mistake at 2nl.

We should be looking at lines that let us put all the money in by the river so bet flop a bit bigger, bet turn a bit bigger, shove river.
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:57 PM   #5
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I think this is a fairly substantial mistake at 2nl.

We should be looking at lines that let us put all the money in by the river so bet flop a bit bigger, bet turn a bit bigger, shove river.
I didn't see V was half stacked, so yeah bet it up. As a default though checking is completely fine.
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:07 PM   #6
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I didn't see V was half stacked, so yeah bet it up. As a default though checking is completely fine.
Do you mean checking otf is fine as default? Care to explain why?
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:25 PM   #7
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Do you mean checking otf is fine as default? Care to explain why?
OOP in SRP we need to check a lot, that range needs to be protected with strong hands. Checking all of our overpairs that don't have BDFDs is a nice way of simplifying what hands we put in our checking range. So on this board we bet all of our overpairs with a diamond and check the ones without.
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:39 PM   #8
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OOP in SRP we need to check a lot, that range needs to be protected with strong hands. Checking all of our overpairs that don't have BDFDs is a nice way of simplifying what hands we put in our checking range. So on this board we bet all of our overpairs with a diamond and check the ones without.
I don't understand that. To me it's the most basic bet. We raised pre and have initiative. I would bet any overpair otf.
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:43 PM   #9
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I don't understand that. To me it's the most basic bet. We raised pre and have initiative. I would bet any overpair otf.
That makes your checking range weaker.
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Old 08-10-2018, 05:56 PM   #10
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Re: 2nl - Is too thin going for 3 streets here?

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I don't understand that. To me it's the most basic bet. We raised pre and have initiative. I would bet any overpair otf.
Betting sometimes is fine. Checking sometimes is fine. Unless villain is a drooler (which is definitely possible) betting all your overpairs is not fine.
You'd be check-folding almost everything you don't bet, (or check-calling with too many weak pairs that can't get to showdown) which makes you very easy to beat. You've got to have some multi-street bluff-catchers in your checking range.

FWIW, I don't really like the turn bet in this hand, let alone the 3rd barrel, but I'm particularly passive when OOP. It might be OK or even good vs a 2NL halfstack though.
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