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[2NL] - Played well vs FISH? [2NL] - Played well vs FISH?

01-20-2018 , 09:19 PM
Villain is a 45/7



    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (BTN): $2.89 (144.5 bb)
    SB: $2.68 (134 bb)
    BB: $3.62 (181 bb)
    CO: $1.18 (59 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 3
    CO folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB folds, BB calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.13) Q T T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08

    Turn: ($0.29) 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.13, BB calls $0.13

    River: ($0.55) 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.26, BB calls $0.26

    Spoiler:
    Results: $1.07 pot ($0.06 rake)
    Final Board: Q T T 5 7
    Hero showed 5 3 and won $1.01 ($0.48 net)
    BB mucked A K and lost (-$0.53 net)
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    01-20-2018 , 09:30 PM
    preflop is ok, that's about it
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    01-20-2018 , 09:59 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ojune
    preflop is ok, that's about it
    Why 3 barrels is not an option?

    I think he will fold a lot of **** on the river. In this case he called my river bet, but he had air.

    Idea of 3 barrels is to make him fold air. If he has something strong, probabily he will play it aggressive. Hence my 3 barrels

    What you guys think?
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    01-20-2018 , 10:00 PM
    that you have a long way to go
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    01-20-2018 , 10:25 PM
    You picked up some showdown value so check back the turn. If you pick up equity with a draw on the turn perhaps continue the bluff.
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    01-22-2018 , 04:45 AM
    Fold preflop.
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    01-22-2018 , 05:14 AM
    I'm not playing that hand vs 45/7 villain. Bet turn bigger. Checking river.
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    01-22-2018 , 05:17 AM
    Were in position on a passive fish why wouldn't we want to play this hand. It's a clear open in my opinion.
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    01-22-2018 , 05:27 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Feng Shui
    Were in position on a passive fish why wouldn't we want to play this hand. It's a clear open in my opinion.
    What's your plan for the hand when you're opening 53s vs a 45/7 (in general, not this specific run-out)?
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    01-22-2018 , 05:32 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by abc247
    What's your plan for the hand when you're opening 53s vs a 45/7 (in general, not this specific run-out)?
    To win the pot far more often than i lose it. We shouldn't be having issues getting involved with fish when were ip with playable hands. cbetting vs this sort of range on most boards is just going to be hugely profitable.
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    01-22-2018 , 05:35 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Feng Shui
    To win the pot far more often than i lose it. We shouldn't be having issues getting involved with fish when were ip with playable hands.


    Nice plan bro. Good luck with your poker goals of 2018.


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    01-22-2018 , 07:27 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by abc247
    playing that hand vs 45/7 villain. Bet turn bigger.
    Why?
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    01-22-2018 , 07:53 AM
    53s doesn't have enough frequent strength in this situation vs 45/7. fold pre.

    Adjust range with more frequent strength hands and remove some of low-gappers, imo.
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    01-22-2018 , 08:04 AM
    Def open pre vs fish.
    cbetting flop is kinda meh.. checking turn and river.
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    01-22-2018 , 10:47 AM
    This is the bottom of my opening range, dunno why people are so polarized by PF. If it's an open it's barely an open. If it's a fold it's barely a fold. I don't think the decision matters much in the long run.

    Check flop, check turn, check river as played. If we're double barreling this hand we're probably double barreling a lot of things we shouldn't and are way overbluffed. Would check flop even against a reg but especially checking against a fish.
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    01-22-2018 , 04:48 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KRiBaH
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    Villain is a 45/7
    I'm not even sure whether you were bluffing or value betting.
    It was wrong either way, but for different reasons.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KRiBaH
    Why 3 barrels is not an option?

    I think he will fold a lot of **** on the river. In this case he called my river bet, but he had air.

    Idea of 3 barrels is to make him fold air. If he has something strong, probabily he will play it aggressive. Hence my 3 barrels

    What you guys think?
    I think you should not bother with a poker HUD if you don't pay attention to what it tells you. Villain is a 45/7.
    What exactly makes you think that
    A) "If he has something strong, probabily he will play it aggressive"
    B) "I think he will fold a lot of **** on the river."
    His stats are typical of players who do the exact opposite of these. They rarely raise anything (but the super nuts), and they don't fold **** on the river (or any other street).
    Case in hand : He called with A high.
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    01-22-2018 , 04:53 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by abc247
    Nice plan bro. Good luck with your poker goals of 2018.


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    Well, from my perspective, you're going to need more luck than him, mr.sarcasm.
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    01-22-2018 , 07:00 PM
    This isn't in my opening range otb. Not sure if you have a decent sample but a guy with these stats is calling pretty wide from the bb so expect your blind steal to turn into playing 53 post flop most of the time.
    As played I may c-bet but I'm shutting down after the flop. Again a guy with these stats is going to be susceptible to calling down light. You'v picked up some sdv ott as well.
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    01-22-2018 , 09:38 PM
    Pre is whatever but it becomes pretty horrible when you make this many mistakes post-flop.

    Stabbing flop is okay because he has so many whiffs on this board. When you pick up a pair then it's an easy check because you're never making him fold better.

    Quote:
    I think he will fold a lot of **** on the river. In this case he called my river bet, but he had air.
    Sentence two should give you a hint that sentence one is wrong.

    Quote:
    If he has something strong, probabily he will play it aggressive.
    This is a bad assumption and slightly irrelevant. Lots of fish (most, I'd say) are quite passive and will play super weak with strong hands quite often. But it's a bit irrelevant because even when they don't have something strong you can expect to get called a **** ton anyway.
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    01-22-2018 , 10:26 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by abc247
    Nice plan bro. Good luck with your poker goals of 2018.


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    Thanks very much , but i have no poker goals as such. I been playing the game off and on for 18 years and just class it as a very enjoyable hobby. I certainly don't Proclaim the advise i give comes from a professional standpoint. I'm basically just a poker enthusiast willing to share whatever i can with people just starting off in the game. I respect anyone that disagrees with my thoughts on the game though and actually i welcome it, after all that's how we learn and progress.I understand the advise i give is quite basic and certainly not always correct. But i try to give the best advise i can.

    On the hand in question though i don't see an issue opening 53s when were ip , it falls within a 45% btn open range which i think is perfectly reasonable just as a default. But I mean it's 4 handed and we have position on a passive fish. It's certainly at the bottom of a button open range. But any chance i get to play ip vs a passive fish with a playable hand i would take. I don't think it's a huge issue either way. I can certainly get on board with just folding preflop.
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    01-22-2018 , 10:28 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bladesman87
    Pre is whatever but it becomes pretty horrible when you make this many mistakes post-flop.

    Stabbing flop is okay because he has so many whiffs on this board. When you pick up a pair then it's an easy check because you're never making him fold better.



    Sentence two should give you a hint that sentence one is wrong.



    This is a bad assumption and slightly irrelevant. Lots of fish (most, I'd say) are quite passive and will play super weak with strong hands quite often. But it's a bit irrelevant because even when they don't have something strong you can expect to get called a **** ton anyway.
    +1
    I like pretty much everything you say here.
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    01-23-2018 , 12:04 AM
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    Originally Posted by SharkytheFish
    This isn't in my opening range otb. Not sure if you have a decent sample but a guy with these stats is calling pretty wide from the bb so expect your blind steal to turn into playing 53 post flop most of the time.
    As played I may c-bet but I'm shutting down after the flop. Again a guy with these stats is going to be susceptible to calling down light. You'v picked up some sdv ott as well.
    +1

    I'm not interested in playing with 53s against a guy who won't fold. The hand has horrible equity against most of his range. This is a hand I would consider playing against a passive nit.
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    01-23-2018 , 12:16 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Feng Shui
    How often does a 45/7 range fold to a cbet on the flop. Villain is terrible preflop , imagine how terrible villain is postflop. Surely we should take every opportunity to play vs fish especially ip.
    Yeah that's exactly why. He is probably going to call your cbet most of the time. And guess what? Most of the time you will miss the flop. So your plan with the hand is to bluff a fish that likes to call most of the time? Or can you at least say how you plan on making money in this situation?
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    01-23-2018 , 12:24 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by abc247
    Yeah that's exactly why. He is probably going to call your cbet most of the time. And guess what? Most of the time you will miss the flop. So your plan with the hand is to bluff a fish that likes to call most of the time? Or can you at least say how you plan on making money in this situation?
    Personally id open this hand with the fish in the blinds,i just think playing vs fish in position cant be a bad thing. But i'm also on-board with folding pre though so i agree with you. This hand is certainly at the very bottom of my range and probably not in most peoples button ranges regardless of the fish. I don't agree villain calls our cbet often though , his range cant hold up.
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    01-23-2018 , 01:45 PM
    It's okay to open your range OTB, but, it's -EV to try and bluff passive recreationals post flop who don't know where the fold button is.
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