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09-17-2020 , 01:25 PM

Shipnickle

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Villain is playing 26/23/13 over 584 hands. Seems like a good reg.

I think flop we mostly want to call with some small amount of raises.

Turn mandatory raise vs the small sizing IMO. Can flat the worst of flushes more often I guess?

River gets ugly real quick. My sizing might be a mistake. Not sure how our range plays here. What are our sizings?

Can we fold a Thi flush vs a good reg?

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 ($0.03 ante) - 6 players
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UTG: $42.19 (169 bb)
MP: $25.78 (103 bb)
CO: $29.78 (119 bb)
BU: $25.00 (100 bb)
SB: $25.00 (100 bb)
BB (Hero): $42.38 (170 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.53) Hero is BB with T♣ 8♣
3 players fold, BTN raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.78) 6♣ Q♣ K♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.56, Hero calls $0.56

Turn: ($2.90) 3♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.69, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $2.81

River: ($9.90) 2♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, BTN raises to $20.16 (all-in)

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09-17-2020 , 02:17 PM

sixsevenoff

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I would 3 bet pre to $3.75.

I'm not sure what a solver would say on the flop, but versus that sizing I would x-r $2.

I would probably go a little smaller on the turn, but I like the x-r.

I like river sizing, and I snap fold versus the raise. Villain's line is so nutted. If he's bluffing right here it's an isolated incident.

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09-17-2020 , 04:14 PM

YanasaurBBQ

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I don't think the sizing could be a mistake. I would expect him at this point to have KQ and sets in his range and maybe AA if hes sticky w it or very rarely 54 and the odd flush, but he's on the BTN so he has lower flushes than you too, not just higher ones. No chance I'm folding. But I dont think the sizing can be bad because hes going to be pretty inelastic with all his sets and KQ, probably calling your bet size at near 100% with those hands.

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09-17-2020 , 09:12 PM

whitemares

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I know pre should be 3b 100% for a smaller open, not sure how that changes vs 3x

River seems like one of those spots where random reg never bluffs because there's not much left behind after you go so big otr, especially in a spot where you're already polarized

You of course have a jamming range otr, I might size down a touch to ~66% for the other sizing, idk if you want to go too small on a brick after the turn x/r

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09-17-2020 , 09:43 PM

DooDooPoker

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I'd fold river - Villain has all Axcc/Kxcc down to K2cc

Also vs 2.5x T8s is 3bet like 90%. Vs a 3x it would be 100% I think.

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09-18-2020 , 01:06 AM

Shipnickle

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

Ty!
Yeah this is probably a 3bet most of the time.
Even solver folds pretty much every Thi flush and lower.

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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ

Thanks! We probably have to fold river.. vs this line we only have a bluffcatcher. Villain is not supposed to raise worse flushes.

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Originally Posted by whitemares

Ty!
Yes you're right, I don't think people will bluff too much vs this strong line.
Good point about never going small after we polarize OTT! I think this is correct.

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I'd fold river - Villain has all Axcc/Kxcc down to K2cc

Also vs 2.5x T8s is 3bet like 90%. Vs a 3x it would be 100% I think.

Ty!
Yes you are right. We can probably start calling better flushes than this. We have a bluffcatcher only.

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09-18-2020 , 04:29 AM

meale

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It's so ***** tempting because of all the nut blockers he has in his range and turn sizing, but the reality is no one's pulling that trigger on the bluff very often.

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09-18-2020 , 07:54 AM

Haizemberg93

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I don't hate calling given how much natural bluffs he can have small turn sizing and player type

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09-18-2020 , 10:12 AM

YanasaurBBQ

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Is it impossible to think that hes value shoving a set, KQ, or worse flush here?

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09-18-2020 , 11:23 AM

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sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ

Is it impossible to think that hes value shoving a set, KQ, or worse flush here?

Pretty much, yeah

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09-18-2020 , 01:02 PM

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whitemares

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Only way I see villain jamming KQ or a set is with the K

specifically, but even then I doubt it happens that often

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09-18-2020 , 03:23 PM

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wacker1913

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IMO villain never has a set or similar...

This is either a high flush or a bluff with AcX

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