Tldr: Spew

Flop thoughts? We have 8 high and a huge range advantage

What bluffs do you guys have OTT?, I'm at the bottom of my range here

River? I have no pair/no draw. This and 76s are the bottom of my range

Feel free to say spew and let me know what your bluff combos our OTR.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
HERO ($24.3) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 21% | AGG: 33.2% | 3-Bet: 14.4% | Hands: 54528]
BTN ($55.24) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($28.22) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BB ($25.32) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($25) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($43.55) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: 8 7

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.35

Hero SPR on Flop: [18.23 effective]
Flop ($1.30): 4 A Q
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.65 (Rem. Stack: 23.05), BB Calls $0.65 (Rem. Stack: 24.07)

Turn ($2.60): 4 A Q T
BB Checks, HERO Bets $1.55 (Rem. Stack: 21.50), BB Calls $1.55 (Rem. Stack: 22.52)

River ($5.70): 4 A Q T 5
BB Checks, HERO Bets $4.85 (Rem. Stack: 16.65),

9 flopped set value combos, 9 AQ, 9 AT, ~11 flush combos if you bet half and check back half, etc. Factoring in removal, with opponent likely having an ace, that's 30 value combos.

Do you open JTo from CO? JsTx would be the the best bluff hand I think. You block some of the main two pair combos/KJo, that would flat pre and x/c the flop. Being checkraised and folding the third nut flush draw isn't a disaster so it seems perfect. The only other high one-spade combo that would open from CO vs KsTx, but that needs to check the turn.

I think if you ran the bluff with T9, T8, or 56 of clubs/diamonds, those hands work we;; since his calldown range is going to be AJ/two pair. So that's a total of 9 bluff combos for a triple barrel so far.

After that, I like betting flop with a 4 since that's his only nutted combo that just flats preflop. But the only 4 I open from CO are A4s and 54s, which are both two pair on the river.

87 seems like a reasonable candidate if you're just trying to find enough bluffs, but you'd want villain to have Ac8c/Ac7c to call flop and turn to fold river. The other possibility is ditching 87s and using 5s5x, so you can fold out 77-88 and have a spade blocker. 55 doesn't have much worth on this board so it's fine to turn it into a bluff, and has more equity vs. a calling range when it hits a non spade 5.

I range bet flop 1/3 pot then check give up this on the turn because we cant really improve to beat anything on the river if he doesn't fold turn. My turn bluffs are basically any king Jack or spade without a pair.

River I carry on with most of that same range. I have some big bets some small bets with both value and bluffs.

Burning $ by betting half here, 1/3 range bet should be default like above poster mentioned, it won't change his calling range enough to make it worthwhile betting bigger and in the long run those saved bb's really add up. This is a pretty simple stab/give up spot

Very nice analysis Roger I appreciate you taking the time. I think you’re right in that using small pocket pairs is the way to go.

I’m reminded of another situation where 22-55 should be used as bluffs as well.

In one of Carroters PIOvsPopulation Episodes, we find ourselves OTB vs BB on a KQJr board. Since this board is so strong for BTN and so bad for BB, we actually run out of natural bluffs once all our Ax are used. The next tier of bluffs he recommends are 22-55. Like you said these bluffs are superior to my non equity bluffs because at least we have 2 outs on the off chance we get called OTT.

Thanks for the response, definitely need to think about this some more.

1/3 range is default on Ace high Non FD boards. On FD boards you need to size up to 1/2 pot.

I disagree this is a simple spot, Poker is rarely simple.

You should probably unlearn that.

This spot is simple, barrelling like you did is 100% spew, you should stop trying to justify awful plays. You get to the river with a bloated pot on a super wet A hi board with straights and flushes available with 8 hi, you can figure it out if you think real hard.

I’m not justifying my play, it’s a thought experiment. It could be 100% spew, I need to figure out my exact range before I can say with certainty.

Also the whole unlearn 1/2 pot on A high FD boards is fundamentally incorrect and not debatable, go PIO it.

Attitudes like yours are just not constructive to getting better. Anyone can say lol spew but the fact that you don’t know to size up on FD boards makes me you think you don’t know basic fundamentals.

I apoligise if my attitude is/was sour. It's not personal, I just think you'd be doing yourself a favour to stop overthinking and overplaying what I consider silly spots. If you want to bluff at least use a hand with some sort of blocker. GL with your poker journey, I mean that.

I just x flop

he's not going to listen. It's what he does. He's trying to play GTO, which I don't think he understands. I tried to tell him, but I don't play enough to have an opinion if you ask him.

You should have stuff like Ks9x and Js9x to bluff here. I doubt the solver bets flop with this combo, and if it does it definitely gives up OTT

EDIT: I didn't see you were CO. Idk maybe you can bluff KsTx or JsTx but idk if you need to. I'd like bluffing river with at least a spade or K or J, preferably both. KsKx comes to mind, maybe JsJx but idk if you bet turn

He absolutely doesn't understand. Eventually he'll learn to stop spewing and "justifying" it with PIO BS after he blows through a few bankrolls.

It's not even worth trying to help him. He should spend $75 on GTO+, bluff like it recommends vs ideal villains, and then finally realize he is blowing off stacks because he is NOT playing ideal villains, but instead playing highly flawed players who call rivers too often.

I don't think KsKx should be betting the flop. The only Ks hand that isn't a flush are the broadway hands like KsJx and KTo. So KsJx is nutted, KsTx really needs to check the turn. K9o is a fold preflop from CO, otherwise that'd be a great bluff combo.

I actually don't think Ks should be a bluff on the turn at all. All your Ks hands that bluff flop with the intention of barreling turn become checks on the turn, since it's brutal to get checkraised with the gutshot nut flush draw on the turn, right?

You actually have some implied odds when river 4 straights/4 flushes and BB bluffs river since you'll be giving up after getting called on flop on this runout so often. Or thin value bets 9s on a Ks or Js river to get value from your bluffcatching straights sometimes. And KsTo could be a nice hand to turn into a bluff on the river on blank rivers when it's value drops.

It's hard to find an ideal Ks bluff hand that isn't also pair or combo draw that wouldn't without making -EV preflop opens with K9o/K8o.

DDP, if you don't conform to a nit style, you will end up busting many bankrolls!!!!

On a serious note, this hand seems spewy ott but I think river play's fine given how straight forward people play.

Disagree that 1/3 is an efficient sizing on this board and I'd bet against 1/3rd range being approved by a solver. AQ interaction being more relevant that the flush draw, flush draw is an overrated factor.

Solvers rarely range bet if you give them reasonable game trees, so yeah I agree. I also doubt the solver bets this combo.

By not approved I mean even as a close enough simplification, mixed strat here.

Even exploitatively, it's kind of a big deal to get gutshots to fold with this holding if the prefered plan is to give up.

Plugged it into the solver, and doodoo was more right than I suspected.

Game tree was:
OOP player can just bet .75 PSB
IP bets either .33 PSB or .5 PSB on flop, .6 PSB or 1.5 PSB on turn, then .75 or 1.5 PSB on river

Here's what it does OTF: https://imgur.com/a/XPXwgjH

As you can see, it mostly prefers the half pot sizing, and bets 8c7c. It prefers the 1/2 PSB, but mixes in x's and the smaller bet too

OTT assuming OOP player calls, it has no overbet range. It bets half the time with 8c7c
https://imgur.com/a/XU0ivGt

OTR it pretty much just overbets. It uses flushes, and some hands like 88, 77, 66 with a spade, along with Ks9x. It just gives up with 8c7c

Thanks JR! I appreciate you putting that hand into the solver. So we should be bluffing hands like JsTx and KsTx here OTR as well? I don't usually open K9o from CO.

Surprising that the river is mostly overbets but I guess it makes sense given our range advantage.

haha yeah watch out! I haven't decided who's advice is worse, Worldz or Crows? It's pretty close between those two world class players.

Oh i thought you were BU. I think the reason it likes overbetting is because it thinks OOP has capped their range by this point

Please understand you are playing non-GTO (unbalanced) opponents. Microstakes players are known for calling rivers too much so you should adjust your bluffing frequencies accordingly.

GL!

huh

doodoo i somehow feel you do not want to stay in the microraketrap forever, considering how hard you try to improve in poker. you dont like them microstakes players or what?

Haha I have nothing against my micro opponents. I just want to make more money .