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NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
HJ ($101.39) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($24.95) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 21% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 14.4% | Hands: 56209]
BTN ($13.05) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($36.3) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BB ($31.57) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($35.03) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: 7 8

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.35

Hero SPR on Flop: [18.73 effective]
Flop ($1.30): 4 T 6
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.65 (Rem. Stack: 23.70), BB Calls $0.65 (Rem. Stack: 30.32)

Turn ($2.60): 4 T 6 5
BB Checks, HERO Bets $1.80 (Rem. Stack: 21.90), BB Calls $1.80 (Rem. Stack: 28.52)

River ($6.20): 4 T 6 5 3
BB Checks, HERO Bets $8.20 (Rem. Stack: 13.70), BB Raises To $28.52 (allin), HERO ?

So he's saying he has Ts9s/JsTs/QsTs/KsTs/AsTs/maybe As9s/QsJs that backed into the flush. Some of those combos should be 3betting preflop but a lot of players like to just call, and myself as well admittedly. And they would value shove even vs. a polarizing overbet as you can do this with 7s.

But he does have AsTx for his bluffs... does Ignition 25z have players capable of bluffs like this vs overbets? I don't use overbets as much as I should so haven't been in this spot often. You need to be right about 13.7/(6.2+8.2+21.9+13.7)=27% of the time.

If he always uses the 3 AsTx as his only bluff combos at 100% frequency, and say 6-7 higher flush combos, you have between 30-33% equity and should call.

You overbet some river bluffs with one spade hands, you have your non-flush sevens (would you overbet with 8d7d here)? So you're most likely folding those... seems like you have to call and take your cooler once you overbet with this overbet. You're not even in bad shape as long as villain is capable of doing this with AsTx.

ez fold imo, this hand should be low in your value range

How is this low in value range??? LOL


I'm betting over pairs here maybe, sets for sure depending on what I consider better against particular villain x/call or value betting. I agree we got probably flush over flush here but man we need to go deep into exploitative folding if we want to give up here.

well we rep extremely polarised with our sizing. Flushes represent a vast majority of our range. Therefore, 8 high flush is relatively low in our range.

We need to be defending 6x/Tx flushes since they block V's flushes

If you guys are folding here, is this the best hand you’re folding? Chips made a good point we should be calling our 6x/Tx flushes. 87 is actuallly the worst flush possible on this board as well.

Doo Doo Plays a lot and has 56k hands at this limit. Villain only one and it's weekend where some inexperienced Players are also in there. What about hands as A7hh. He calls Flop with nut fd, he calls turn with Equity and decides to c/r River because "he has more 7s that the co". Same with some Other combos with xh7h.


And our Hero overbets River, which could he be doing with xAs, might the v think...

I See value on calling

It's ignition zone, where there are no usernames and so it's completely anonymous from hand to hand. We don't know if V is a reg or not, and V doesn't know if doodoo is a reg, or that doodoo plays like doodoo.

I'm calling this off, expecting to see a lot of straights, and maybe even worse hands than that (and I don't mean bluffs). V can have 76, 75, T7, 74, 87 and think it's basically the nuts.

for spade combos, V could have like JTs, T9s, KTs, QTs, ATs, A6s, and maybe something like AsJs at some frequency. On normal 25NL (maybe zone is different( this is rarely a bluff, but the "value" range is way wider than it should be: I've seen V's take lines like this with the equivalent of 7x, 3x, sets and even two pair hands

And let's not forget heart combos for obvious bluff candidates from V, along with stuff like AsTx or As6x

I think crisps is right that this probably should be a fold when we overbet river, but I don't think the population is thinking like that. I like the overbet btw

I dont know how Players in 25z Play, i am a 2NLz player myself and i would Be worried about a higher flush if v leads River big.

Do u all c/r river with flush? Many Players have the line: bet/bet/check River so it makes sense to lead River with flush.

I think JR makes good points, this situation is a little different in that there is 4 to a straight OTR. How likely is it that Villain is just value owning himself with a straight here? It was a Saturday Night on the 25NL streets, population is pretty fishy.

Very unlikely villain has a straight when he jams vs. an overbet. People on Ignition may be bad but they're not blind.

Oj and Chips hit the nail on the head with this hand. This is extremely easy to play with how big you bet. Both because of where we are in our value range and how unlikely people are to shove straights here.

Is this the best hand you fold?

I might lose my mind a little otr.

Thoughts on overbetting turn? Cause I think I would.