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01-15-2019 , 11:02 AM
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
BB ($16.29) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($24) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($25.3) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 33.1% | 3-Bet: 14.5% | Hands: 47123]
CO ($31.17) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 100% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($28.18) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($37.25) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: 6 6

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, CO Raises To $2.20, BTN Calls $2.20, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Calls $1.60

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.32 effective]
Flop ($6.95): 2 T T
HERO Checks, CO Bets $1 (Rem. Stack: 27.97), BTN Calls $1 (Rem. Stack: 24.98), HERO Raises To $4.50 (Rem. Stack: 18.6), CO Calls $3.50 (Rem. Stack: 24.47), BTN Folds

Turn ($16.95): 2 T T A
HERO Checks, CO Checks

River ($16.95): 2 T T A J
HERO Bets $10.22 (Rem. Stack: 8.38)
25z 66 in an awkward spot Quote
01-15-2019 , 11:24 AM
You are printing just set mining. You missed, and flop stinks. You should fold flop. On to the next hand.

As played this is torching money and a major leak.
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01-15-2019 , 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robert_utk
You are printing just set mining. You missed, and flop stinks. You should fold flop. On to the next hand.

As played this is torching money and a major leak.
fold flop for 4BBs into a 36BB pot?
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01-15-2019 , 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
fold flop for 4BBs into a 36BB pot?


You need approx 20:1 to hit a full house on the turn.

Don’t be suckered by a small bet. Do you usually react so predictably?
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01-15-2019 , 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robert_utk
You need approx 20:1 to hit a full house on the turn.

Don’t be suckered by a small bet. Do you usually react so predictably?
yeah but i have implied odds. also its 25NL, populations' bet sizings are usually the strength of their hand.

When Villain calls my XR what's your range for him? Do you think the river bluff is profitable.
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01-15-2019 , 11:48 AM
hmmmm, never folding flop....
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01-15-2019 , 11:56 AM
Button clicking
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01-15-2019 , 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
its 25NL, populations' bet sizings are usually the strength of their hand.

I understand 25NLz is soft, but I find this hard to believe. (Huge if true)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
When Villain calls my XR what's your range for him? Do you think the river bluff is profitable.

Dude bet-called a scary flop. Whatever weak stuff that folds river should never be in range in the first place.
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01-15-2019 , 12:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robert_utk
I understand 25NLz is soft, but I find this hard to believe. (Huge if true)




Dude bet-called a scary flop. Whatever weak stuff that folds river should never be in range in the first place.
QQ/KK fold to a river bet? I think these hands are lot more likely than Tx/AA/JJ given that he X back turn.
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01-15-2019 , 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
QQ/KK fold to a river bet? I think these hands are lot more likely than Tx/AA/JJ given that he X back turn.


And how many of those now have a flush? Also, you are ahead of the ones that don’t. So, what exactly are you folding out?

EDIT: oops got the DooDoo HH’s confused...
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01-15-2019 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
QQ/KK fold to a river bet? I think these hands are lot more likely than Tx/AA/JJ given that he X back turn.


Turn check includes the nuts as well as trips and Ax spaz flop overcalls.

The way to beat lesser players is by pounding out fundamental GTO lines all day. This is just spew.
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01-15-2019 , 05:31 PM
imo not a very barrelable combo. We have some (weak) showdown value on this board, CO is still uncapped on dry board. We could be barreling against a slightly better showdown hand that will not fold, we are out of position, and raise looks FOS. We don't complete a lot of 10x vs 3bet oop. CO also doesn't close action on flop, so this is a dangerous situation to continue barreling. He's very unlikely to be floating air multi way with BU behind, even though button just flatted initially.

I call flop and probably check fold turn. if he has overpair we can cooler it with another 6, 6 doesn't complete flush or any draws, totally innocuous looking card that could stack his Tx/ overpairs.
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01-15-2019 , 06:00 PM
You really need to play your hand more, learn how to do that rather than trying to make villain fold every hand. I might pull one big bluff similar to yours a week, whereas you will post 5 big bluffs in a single day.
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01-15-2019 , 06:11 PM
I fold pre most of the time, both times. No idea what's going on rest of the hand.
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01-16-2019 , 08:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robert_utk
I understand 25NLz is soft, but I find this hard to believe. (Huge if true)
it's how it should be, not sure what you expect, that betting small should be mostly strong hands?
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01-16-2019 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by YouBetIcall
it's how it should be, not sure what you expect, that betting small should be mostly strong hands?


Small sized c-bets should be part of a high frequency c-bet strategy. Not at all related to the strength of your hand. It is similar to extending the flop, for a small investment, while not giving up control of the hand.

If you bet small because your hand is small, you should quit poker, immediately.
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01-16-2019 , 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robert_utk
If you bet small because your hand is small, you should quit poker, immediately.
the opposite and folding flop is ridonkulous when we sometimes have the best hand
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01-16-2019 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
the opposite and folding flop is ridonkulous when we sometimes have the best hand


If it was heads up, then calling flop is maybe break even. Three ways to *this* flop and any call with 66 is torching money. OP knows this, which is why he checkraised. His opponent bet-called his checkraise in three way action. Do you really want to “sometimes have the best hand” when you will have to pay off one or two more larger bets to find out? Or do you want to move on to the next time your opponents are offering you autoprofit?

Also, are you seriously advocating to size your c-bets according to the strength of your hand? I mean, wtf man, you are supposed to be one of the better poasters here.
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01-16-2019 , 02:10 PM
If spewtards are going to go bananas v small bets then you have every right to bet small with the goods as an exploit.

Effectively the population are providing the balance for you. It's like when I donk and people think I have a draw and go broke with an underpair when I actually flopped a straight.
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01-16-2019 , 02:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YouBetIcall
it's how it should be, not sure what you expect, that betting small should be mostly strong hands?
Betting small is a combo of all types of hands. Why don't people understand that? If anything a small bet is more likely to be strong for two commonsense reasons. They aren't as vulnerable, and therefore don't have to bet big and they know you can't have the strong hands that they do. That's the common theme from all player types, not this "people use bet sizes that represent their hand strengths".

How do the majority of the people on this site get everything ass-backwards to how people actually play in reality so often? It absolutely baffles me. It's like they believe what people "say" these games are like while ignoring the evidence in front of their eyes that prove the exact opposite. It's so frustrating.
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01-16-2019 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Betting small is a combo of all types of hands. Why don't people understand that? If anything a small bet is more likely to be strong for two commonsense reasons. They aren't as vulnerable, and therefore don't have to bet big and they know you can't have the strong hands that they do. That's the common theme from all player types, not this "people use bet sizes that represent their hand strengths".

How do the majority of the people on this site get everything ass-backwards to how people actually play in reality so often? It absolutely baffles me. It's like they believe what people "say" these games are like while ignoring the evidence in front of their eyes that prove the exact opposite. It's so frustrating.
lmfao, filter in your database population fold vs xr after cbetting different sizings. Its basically a linear **** function, the bigger the bet size the less fold equity u have....

But small bets are not likely to be stronger than big bets, any clown with a functioning brain will realise that ffs.
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01-16-2019 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
lmfao, filter in your database population fold vs xr after cbetting different sizings. Its basically a linear **** function, the bigger the bet size the less fold equity u have....

But small bets are not likely to be stronger than big bets, any clown with a functioning brain will realise that ffs.
Lol okay. Do you just spew nonsense off the top off your head without even a single rational thought beforehand? x/raise implies the board was wet so the combination of that and your own x/raising range being polarized as a result is what causes the lower folding rate, not the size of bet as an average of all board textures.

So when *you* cbet 1/3 pot on a dryish board *you* can't have a range of hands from air to the absolute nuts? And if when *you* do it you have the nuts in your range, why do you then assume that Mr.FullStack who is *not you* can't and doesn't do the exact same thing? Everybody that isn't a fish plays nearly identically.

Not to mention *if* what you guys are saying was true then everybody should always bet tiny in all spots for fat value to induce spew raises always and *never* use a large sizing.

And on another note, please start actually thinking through the absolutely ******ed non-sense you post before you post it. This forum is to help others play solid strat, not for you to post your incoherent non-sense rambling.

Last edited by WorldzMine; 01-16-2019 at 06:52 PM.
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01-16-2019 , 06:56 PM
Results:

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
BB ($16.29) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($24) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($25.3) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 33% | 3-Bet: 14.5% | Hands: 50850]
CO ($31.17) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 100% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($28.18) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($37.25) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: 6 6

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, CO Raises To $2.20, BTN Calls $2.20, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Calls $1.60

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.32 effective]
Flop ($6.95): 2 T T
HERO Checks, CO Bets $1 (Rem. Stack: 27.97), BTN Calls $1 (Rem. Stack: 24.98), HERO Raises To $4.50 (Rem. Stack: 18.6), CO Calls $3.50 (Rem. Stack: 24.47), BTN Folds

Turn ($16.95): 2 T T A
HERO Checks, CO Checks

River ($16.95): 2 T T A J
HERO Bets $10.22 (Rem. Stack: 8.38), CO Folds

Spoiler:

HERO wins: $16.11
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01-17-2019 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by robert_utk
Also, are you seriously advocating to size your c-bets according to the strength of your hand? I mean, wtf man, you are supposed to be one of the better poasters here.
Why do you think good players use multiple betsizes? Just for the sake of it?
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01-17-2019 , 04:12 AM
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If anything a small bet is more likely to be strong
the god has spoken.

So guise, your xraising frequency should increase alongside the opponents cbet size. And never raise them 1bb donks kay cuz they much stronger than pot donks.
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