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Old 09-13-2017, 06:21 AM   #1
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25NLz Turn decision AKo

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37829546

BTN: $25 (100 bb)
SB: $36.45 (145.8 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)
UTG: $22.15 (88.6 bb)
MP: $72.67 (290.7 bb)
Hero (CO): $37.36 (149.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A K
UTG raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.25, MP calls $2.25

Flop: ($9.35) 7 8 A (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $6.43, UTG folds, MP calls $6.43

Turn: ($22.21) 2 (2 players)
MP bets $63.24 and is all-in, Hero ????

Clearly unknown player.
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Old 09-13-2017, 06:34 AM   #2
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Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

Looks really fishy play.. How can u call here with just TPTK? Flush, weak two pair would have gotten here. In fact I would be in a dilemma too and end up folding,.. Waiting to see other responses..

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Old 09-13-2017, 09:18 AM   #3
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Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

ez call
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Old 09-13-2017, 09:31 AM   #4
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Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

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Looks really fishy play.. How can u call here with just TPTK? Flush, weak two pair would have gotten here. In fact I would be in a dilemma too and end up folding,.. Waiting to see other responses..

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lol do you think he is going to get value from his flush this way? if he flopped to pairs why he didn't check raise?

clearly a stupid bluff.

also you have K heart.. ez call
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:38 AM   #5
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Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

With K I'm calling. Take note of what they have.
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Old 09-13-2017, 11:25 AM   #6
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Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

Looks a like a fold, moreso given stack depth
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Old 09-13-2017, 01:36 PM   #7
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Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

Easy call.
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:04 PM   #8
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Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37829604

    BTN: $25 (100 bb)
    SB: $36.45 (145.8 bb)
    BB: $25 (100 bb)
    UTG: $22.15 (88.6 bb)
    MP: $72.67 (290.7 bb)
    Hero (CO): $37.36 (149.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A K
    UTG raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.25, MP calls $2.25

    Flop: ($9.35) 7 8 A (3 players)
    UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $6.43, UTG folds, MP calls $6.43

    Turn: ($22.21) 2 (2 players)
    MP bets $63.24 and is all-in, Hero calls $27.93 and is all-in

    River: ($78.07) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

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    i know when i betting on flop i have nut blocker.He is jam and i call dont think 2 second maybe think 1.5 second .150bb confused me actually turn jam 100bb maybe fold its good vs unknown player above +150bb or its thinking result oriented,fancy play syndrome i guess.

    ty for all comments.
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    Old 09-13-2017, 03:07 PM   #9
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    Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

    Stack sizes make it close, but I think it's a call. I don't think it's a huge EV difference w/o info on your opponent. I don't think a fold is horrible in terms of long term EV, and if this is 100bbs effective, it's an easy call.
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    Old 09-13-2017, 07:44 PM   #10
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    Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

    I think folding is ok.V needs to be really good to make balanced DB range on 3th hart and because most likely he is not.I would assume he has to many value hands.
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    Old 09-13-2017, 11:37 PM   #11
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    Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

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    lol do you think he is going to get value from his flush this way? if he flopped to pairs why he didn't check raise?

    clearly a stupid bluff.

    also you have K heart.. ez call
    I have had similar experience when the guy had the nuts.. Very fishy.. He had a very low flush once..

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    Old 09-13-2017, 11:38 PM   #12
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    lol do you think he is going to get value from his flush this way? if he flopped to pairs why he didn't check raise?

    clearly a stupid bluff.

    also you have K heart.. ez call
    He didn't check raise coz he's a fish

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    Old 09-13-2017, 11:49 PM   #13
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    Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

    This seems like an easy fold.
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    Old 09-13-2017, 11:53 PM   #14
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    Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

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    This seems like an easy fold.
    You also said easy call a while back..???

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    Old 09-14-2017, 12:04 AM   #15
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    Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

    To quote myself from earlier today:
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    the correct play in many spots at micro stakes is to fold because people don't bluff often enough and if they're not maniacs, they're nits and nutpeddlars. There are few maniacs around.
    I was trolling when I said call. AK is always beaten in this spot and we don't have the odds to call.

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    Old 09-14-2017, 03:40 AM   #16
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    Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

    Kd means villain has very few flushes here, perhaps T9s/QJs only, I wouldn't be able to fold vs unk esp w redraw outs vs made flushes.

    Saying that though, given villain is donking perhaps we can assign more flushes in their range therefore isolated may be correct. May just be results orientated though, probably could go either way I wouldn't be surpised to see some random bluff either.
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    Old 09-14-2017, 08:48 AM   #17
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    Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

    My population read (at 10NLz, mind) is that when someone does something that is a terrible way of extracting value like this, it's usually a ****ty bluff. As others have said though it gets a lot more complicated with stack sizes. Given it was 3 ways to the flop I would like to say I might find a fold here, but in game I'm probably too curious to fold, plus we have outs (obviously).
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    Old 09-14-2017, 12:18 PM   #18
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    Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

    Actually i dont fold with 100bb no way turn with 60bb fold also nut Heart blocker.if he jam i call or he check i jam dosent matter but with 150bb actually not feel right especially when villian jam on turn.i dont have any solver but Fold is on the table when oop jam and fold dosen't hurt long term i guess .

    ty for all comments again.
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    Old 09-14-2017, 12:48 PM   #19
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    Re: 25NLz Turn decision AKo

    This is a call, although you should expect to be behind most of the time. If you're folding A-K with the nut flush blocker here, that means you're only calling with two pair or better. I don't think you're 3-betting 8-8, 7-7, or 8-7s 100% of the time, which diminishes the non-flush value combos that you have on the turn.

    If you don't call with Ax-Kh, you can easily be exploited by aggression on the turn when draws come in; you're folding too many hands. You have equity against even his best value here. Makes this a perfect bluff catcher.
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