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Old 05-17-2017, 10:46 PM   #1
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Red face 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37727389

    BTN: $25 (100 bb)
    Hero (SB): $47.29 (189.2 bb)
    BB: $37.79 (151.2 bb)
    UTG: $27.56 (110.2 bb)
    MP: $26.37 (105.5 bb)
    CO: $46.02 (184.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K J
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.50, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BB folds, CO calls $1.25

    Flop: ($3.75) T 2 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.55, CO calls $1.55

    Turn: ($6.85) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $3.66, CO calls $3.66

    River: ($14.17) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $10.15, Hero raises to $40.33 and is all-in, CO calls $28.91




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    Old 05-18-2017, 03:03 AM   #2
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

    Dont.
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    Old 05-18-2017, 03:04 AM   #3
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    Heart Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

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    Dont.
    With the reads OP gives, I have to disagree. I think this is incredibly standard but only against this specific kind of player.
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    Old 05-18-2017, 03:07 AM   #4
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

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    With the reads OP gives, I have to disagree. I think this is incredibly standard but only against this specific kind of player.
    +1
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    Old 05-18-2017, 12:03 PM   #5
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

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    With the reads OP gives, I have to disagree. I think this is incredibly standard but only against this specific kind of player.
    what reads? am I not seeing part of the post or s/t? .... and seems like a crazy line to me...
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    Old 05-18-2017, 12:40 PM   #6
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

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    With the reads OP gives, I have to disagree. I think this is incredibly standard but only against this specific kind of player.
    lol wp
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    Old 05-18-2017, 06:06 PM   #7
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

    hey guys, sorry for not adding any villain read, it's because I didn't have any. I ask about this hand cause I thought in the moment I could make folds from any flush but the A high one, now that I see the hand more carefully his range is the flushes and I dont have much on mine, also, if the pot was 3b pre it makes more likely that if he happens to have the flush otr it will be most times A high or K high, if not Q high.
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    Old 05-18-2017, 08:59 PM   #8
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

    People don't tend to value bet thinly enough when obvious draws complete so he's folding less often than you think.

    People don't tend to check/shove flushes on the river for fear of river being checked through, so the bluff isn't that credible.

    People are far more likely to make a bad call than a good fold, especially unknown players at micro stakes.
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    Old 05-19-2017, 06:01 AM   #9
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

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    what reads? am I not seeing part of the post or s/t? .... and seems like a crazy line to me...


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    Old 05-19-2017, 07:12 AM   #10
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

    CO only really donks flushes, maybe some sets as blocker bets (to stop you pot controlling top pairs etc.), but if that's what V was trying to achieve I would expect a smaller river bet. The weakest flushes he has here, are maybe 10 high's, that's assuming V doesn't raise flop - I think it's unlikely you're going to get a fold (his 3rd/4th nut flushes etc. also have strong blockers to your nut flush combo's). I'd like to see a strong blocker in your hand, such as the K/A of hearts if you are going to take a line like this.

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    Old 05-19-2017, 10:47 AM   #11
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

    Why do **** like this in micros?
    Some ego problems?
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    Old 05-19-2017, 10:59 AM   #12
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    With the reads OP gives, I have to disagree. I think this is incredibly standard but only against this specific kind of player.
    Buahahahaha Good 1

    Hey we're deep, dont 3B this small, the plan is to stack off as much as we can, we need to start creating a good pot and this is a really good hand to do it, this is in order to maximize your profits on the long run.
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    Old 05-19-2017, 12:05 PM   #13
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

    I would have rather a 3ple barrel bluff AP.

    Personally i check/give up otf, we have decent equity to fire a CBet w 2 overs+bd str8 but being OOP on this board we got close to 0 fold equity. Vill is gonna float us a lot + we have reverse imp odds if a heart-ball that benefits us benefits vill even more.

    ''People don't tend to check/shove flushes on the river for fear of river being checked through, so the bluff isn't that credible.''> +1

    glgl
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    Old 05-19-2017, 05:30 PM   #14
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

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    I would have rather a 3ple barrel bluff AP.

    Personally i check/give up otf, we have decent equity to fire a CBet w 2 overs+bd str8 but being OOP on this board we got close to 0 fold equity. Vill is gonna float us a lot + we have reverse imp odds if a heart-ball that benefits us benefits vill even more.

    ''People don't tend to check/shove flushes on the river for fear of river being checked through, so the bluff isn't that credible.''> +1

    glgl
    Anything but this.
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    Old 05-19-2017, 06:19 PM   #15
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

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    With the reads OP gives, I have to disagree. I think this is incredibly standard but only against this specific kind of player.


    Too funny, man
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    Old 05-25-2017, 09:00 AM   #16
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

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    Buahahahaha Good 1

    Hey we're deep, dont 3B this small, the plan is to stack off as much as we can, we need to start creating a good pot and this is a really good hand to do it, this is in order to maximize your profits on the long run.
    1.75 is 3.5x original raise. I thing sizing is fine. As I understand we are bluff 3-betting, so I would prefer to see a fold. Could you explain please?

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    Old 05-25-2017, 09:05 AM   #17
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

    pre sizing is quite bad this deep, co can prolly flat his entire range profitably lel

    ap this is beyond retarded even with reads mentioned by isolated, oh wait.
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    Old 05-25-2017, 10:40 AM   #18
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

    more pre, xf riv
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    Old 05-25-2017, 04:11 PM   #19
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    Re: 25NLz 190bbs deep -- River Bluff on flushed river

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    pre sizing is quite bad this deep, co can prolly flat his entire range profitably lel

    ap this is beyond retarded even with reads mentioned by isolated, oh wait.
    Tx for the nice feedback man, improved all my game in only one commentary
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    Old 05-25-2017, 04:54 PM   #20
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    Tx for the nice feedback man, improved all my game in only one commentary
    ye man, thats the effect i have on people
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