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25NL Zoom, 2pr facing turn raise. 25NL Zoom, 2pr facing turn raise.

05-22-2018 , 11:59 PM
Anonymous Zoom Poker on Ignition.

Ignition Casino - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $23.75
UTG: $67.43
MP: $4.90
CO: $24.75
BTN: $11.40
SB: $24.76

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T 9

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50, 2 players) 9 T 5
SB bets $1.00, Hero raises to $3.25, SB calls $2.25

Turn: ($8.00, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero bets $4.75, SB raises to $12.25, [color=red]Hero?

Turn appears a clear AI or fold and I think I am leaning toward a nitty fold.

Here is my breakdown.

Villains smallish C/R OTT after bet/calling the flop looks awfully strong, he has all the nut combos for sure, and this is not a line I expect many to have balanced with enough bluffs. When I factor the AI price, I am getting a little better 2:1 but I may only have about 25% equity against his presumably value heavy range.

T9 is about the middle of my range distribution which puts it on the borderline based on the price I'm getting (treating the raise as AI). Still, it is the weakest pure value hand I am taking this line with and has few outs to improve.

Thoughts?
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05-23-2018 , 12:08 AM
You should fold.
He probably has exactly QJ because that's just how $25z plays
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05-23-2018 , 01:26 AM
I am having trouble finding many bluffs from him. This is 55, KK, K10 or QJ like always with the discounted TT and 99 since you block those heavily. Sure sometimes you see AA Here sometimes but not very often.
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05-23-2018 , 01:53 AM
We should not have a raising range on the flop if we're trying to be balanced.

Turn, it comes down on your specific reads or population reads but I'm also leaning towards fold.
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05-24-2018 , 09:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NormaJeane
We should not have a raising range on the flop if we're trying to be balanced.
Why not?
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05-24-2018 , 11:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RaiseAnnounced
Why not?
Because we are at severe range disadvantage. When we raise what do we represent? We probably 3b TT/99 and set mining small pp BvB is not profitable because villain's range is wide and we will not get paid if we hit our set.

And when we start raising our 2pr+ hands when we shouldn't have a raising range, then our flatting range will be faced up and an aware reg will exploit us.

But since villain looks fishy (not full stacked to start the hand), then raising here is fine because we should play exploitative vs fish.
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05-25-2018 , 12:47 AM
Pretty weird situation.
How often are you going to have T5s or 95s? How often are you raising QJ on the flop? What about KJ or KQ? What about 87 or J8?
At the end of the day I think you just have too many worse hands to be able to fold this unless you're a meganit.
This board is very good for your opponent, he can have way more good hands than you, so you can fold a lot more than normal, but I still think this kind of has to be a call, I don't think calling with 55/QJ exclusively can be enough.
It's also not impossible for villain to be bluffing either.
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05-25-2018 , 12:50 AM
I also agree with not raising too much on this flop.
If you're not going to have 95s or T5s then this flop becomes a mandatory "don't raise with anything" spot.
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05-25-2018 , 11:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VALIS
Pretty weird situation.
How often are you going to have T5s or 95s? How often are you raising QJ on the flop? What about KJ or KQ? What about 87 or J8?
T5/95s basically never calling pre

QJ I'm usually just calling the flop

More likely to raise with 78s and J8, 55, and 99 (when I don't 3bet it pre)

KQ usually a 3bet pre

So yeah my range is very thin in this spot. I broke it down into combos and T9 is basically a little better than middle of my distribution.
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05-25-2018 , 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NormaJeane
Because we are at severe range disadvantage. When we raise what do we represent? We probably 3b TT/99 and set mining small pp BvB is not profitable because villain's range is wide and we will not get paid if we hit our set.
I think something has to be a little screwy with your preflop strategy if T95 is a whiff. If 99 is so strong that it's 100% 3b pre and 55 is so weak that it's 100% fold, then something definitely seems way off one way or the other. T9, T5s, and 95s are all very heavy in our continuing range, and our 3bing strategy with those hands should be complementary to each other (ie: the more we're 3bing some, the more we're flatting others.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NormaJeane
And when we start raising our 2pr+ hands when we shouldn't have a raising range, then our flatting range will be faced up and an aware reg will exploit us.
T and 9 are two of the heaviest cards in our range, so we should be in good shape to call down on a variety of run-outs regardless of how we play 2pr+. This is really the important point because regardless of how many value combos we rep with a raise, we can still have some sort of raising strategy without compromising the rest of our tree.

FWIW, PIO's raising almost 25 combos here, and that's with giving it the option to range split between this size and $0.40 (IP raises the smaller size with almost 100 combos) whereas it's more likely this player is betting more static than that. Then again, that's using the preset ranges for BvB, which is heavier on middle cards for BB's flatting range than I would personally go with.

Last edited by RaiseAnnounced; 05-25-2018 at 12:25 PM.
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05-25-2018 , 04:35 PM
I think raising flop versus an unknown is bad because he doesn't hit that board strong enough to continue and allow you to reap value. When he does call your raise, his range is much much stronger , so obv when he check raises you are going to struggle to profit from putting any more money in.

As for having enough bluffs to balance - at 25nl he is probably too busy exploiting the fish to worry about his air:nuts balance which is what you should be doing.
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05-25-2018 , 04:39 PM
we should have all 95s in our range IMO, and some T5s, i think T9 is a fine raise on this board for value, can raise all of our QJ, J8, 76s to balance, should have around 1 vb :2 bluff on flop and this hand seems fine
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05-27-2018 , 04:50 AM
The only reason why you would fold 95s and T5s pre is because it's zoom...

You have to find a good blend of two pairs to call and raise on this flop. I think you could call T9 and raise the other two... Also you can raise 99 if u have that pre.

As played I think you can warrant for an easy bet/fold on the turn...

You sized your flop raise to be slightly on the larger side so you might fold out KJ and Q9 type hands.
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