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Old 01-12-2018, 10:48 PM   #1
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25nl:How did I play this hand?

BB: 80.9 BB (VPIP: 29.89, PFR: 11.49, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 90)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 184.7 BB (VPIP: 26.91, PFR: 4.65, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 309)
Hero (BTN): 104.65 BB
SB: 47.6 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 6.61, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 123)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 A

fold, CO calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, fold, BB checks

Flop: (3.5 BB, 3 players) 5 9 9
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets 2.8 BB, fold, CO calls 2.8 BB

Turn: (9.1 BB, 2 players) 8
CO checks, Hero bets 7 BB, CO raises to 21.05 BB, Hero calls 14.05 BB

River: (51.2 BB, 2 players) 7
CO bets 25.6 BB, fold,

Pre flop the blinds we're both fish and I wanted them in. In hindsight I think isolating the fish in the co who was full stacked would've been the better play?

In game my intuition told me to check the turn. If he has 55,88,89s,67s I get to limit the damage and get to take a free card. But I can get value from so many 9xs hands and not sure how many off suit 9x combos he has either. So I don't know if the idea of checking turn is just downright insane or not?

And I think calling his raise ott is bad? Getting 2.6:1 but there are only four combos of 67s vs the combos of 55,88,89s possibly 85s,95s. He's also a loose passive fish so I don't think he's bluffing nor do I think he is check raising just a 9x. If he was going to x/r just a 9x he probably would of otf imo(?).
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:50 AM   #2
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Re: 25nl:How did I play this hand?

I’d iso pre with pretty much anything I’d open from BTN here. Think iso and high frequency cbet still prints money against 27/4 players.

As played I play the same but call river. It’s not a great spot, sure, but I disagree that this player type never plays worse trips this way. Yes villain is probably loose passive but he’s also not a good poker player. He can over value weak trips and will not be thinking about your range and what your turn call represents in great depth.

I also always assign some probability to players bluffing. With this, the small-ish sizing and the worse value in his range, I think we have enough equity to call river
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:49 AM   #3
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Re: 25nl:How did I play this hand?

Never limp behind. Even if both blinds are bad, do you really want to take a flop against 3 players who could have any two cards each. It becomes real hard to have any idea where you are at unless you have the nuts (not easy to do). If they like their hands, they will call your raise anyways and now you get to play them in a bigger pot with position.

I'm not sure about the river. These players generally love to limp small PPs but they also overvalue hands. I think I'm folding but not liking it.
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:04 AM   #4
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Re: 25nl:How did I play this hand?

Raise pre. Co donated an extra bb that we get to frequently win rake free. You don't want a9o multiway no matter how fishy the blinds are.
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:11 AM   #5
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Re: 25nl:How did I play this hand?

Iso PF and I'm probably calling river as played.

Checking turn is crazy, yes. In general you should be weary about checking any hand that can easily go for three streets of value.

Also, I don't think "never limp behind" in this spot is necessarily accurate when the guy to our right is a fish and the two guys to our left are weak, but we should be raising an overwhelming majority of hands regardless.
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Old 01-13-2018, 03:53 PM   #6
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Re: 25nl:How did I play this hand?

fold pre. i would iso if it was suited but playing A9o is just looking for trouble. best case scenario you're going to win a small pot uncontested. if you get action post flop you're usually behind. AP NH except for the river fold. i'm calling down, but i'm a station. i've just seen way too many people overvalue worse 9x. a lot of the time you're going to lose to 98 97 or 55 or 88 but i think he has 9T J9 Q9 and K9 a lot too ( and all the offsuit combos of these especially when he open limps late position) if he's playing 27% of hands pre and only raising 4.6%. you're committing yourself on the turn given he only has a HPB left behind on the river when you give him all of these hands.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:24 PM   #7
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Re: 25nl:How did I play this hand?

I raise pre. Either fold or raise. Don't limp. Make your decision ott. Calling ott and then folding to the river bet is burning money. Villain isn't making this turn play with a gutshot and shouldn't be calling the flop bet with J10, so I don't think we can fold otr on the basis that a straight got there.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:42 PM   #8
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Re: 25nl:How did I play this hand?

I've advocated for limping behind fish in the past but this isn't a hand I'd do it with.

Post-flop looks good.

Edit: checking turn would be a disaster. You had a bad feeling and now you have confirmation bias.
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:37 PM   #9
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Re: 25nl:How did I play this hand?

Agree with everyone to ISO pre as played I would fold, this is just never a bluff sigh fold and just know he has 55, 88, or 76 here
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