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25NL Facing turn raise w set against aggressive reg 25NL Facing turn raise w set against aggressive reg

09-24-2017 , 09:35 PM
No Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25

6 players


Stacks:
MP - MP ($19.38)
CO - CO ($17.82)
BTN - BTN ($27.39)
UTG - UTG ($25.00)
SB - Hero ($30.43)
BB - BB ($36.53)

Preflop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is SB with 8 8
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: 4 3 7 ($2.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

Turn: 8 ($2.25, 3 players)
Hero bets $1.68, BB raises to $5.50, 1 fold, Hero?

V is a strong and aggressive reg, a winner who runs 28/23. What is a good line here? We're only losing to exactly 56, and there are so many draws... is it spew to 3 bet? If we call and riv bricks, do we b/f? Seems a little nitty to fold to the turn raise, but I don't really like just calling either...

Last edited by swimmingupstream; 09-24-2017 at 09:58 PM.
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09-24-2017 , 10:36 PM
call and c/r and river that is not jx/club to get value from 77, dont think he has 56 or even clubs too often but 9T seems reasonable and he gonna bet all his value on river most the time so not too worried about checking oop
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09-25-2017 , 12:38 AM
V shouldn't really have 56 in his range when flop gets checked.

AP, call and c/r blank rivers.
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09-25-2017 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by swimmingupstream
Seems a little nitty to fold to the turn raise
Just a little with $24 behind?

Quote:
V shouldn't really have 56 in his range when flop gets checked.
This is an odd take.
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09-25-2017 , 01:54 AM
56 is definitely still in his range since the original aggressor (btn) was to act behind him. So even with two clubs hes going to check a lot. I don't think you're stacking anything by 3 betting the turn besides maybe another set so I think you have to flat and re-evaluate the river and either c/c or c/r depending
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09-25-2017 , 02:30 AM
misread the hand.. thought the aggression came from BTN..

ofc BB has 65 in his range.. sry about that.
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09-25-2017 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by swimmingupstream
Seems a little nitty to fold to the turn raise
Even if you see through his cards that he has the straight, you probably still have the odds to call against an aggressive player.

You have the second nuts. He could do this with a few worse hands he thinks are good (3 lower sets, 2 pair with 7-8). He could also do this with a drawy hands to push you off a hand. (Which would be right for him to do so, given if you're considering folding top set against 1 raise, you're folding 99% of your range; He should do this with any two cards).

If he can have 5-6 here, he can also have 7-8. What does he do with 2 pairs here, just call? The board is heavily connected.
And of course he can have 44 33 77 and wanted to xraise flop but the bet never came.

Call, check raise river.
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09-25-2017 , 10:35 AM
Unless BB is fishy, I would 3bet this pre
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09-25-2017 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Renekton
Unless BB is fishy, I would 3bet this pre
Completely reasonable to 3bet/f pre flop here

.To be clear folding on the turn is not an option
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09-25-2017 , 12:16 PM
I'm also 3-betting PF without a read that the BB player is a fish.

My standard line is to call and either c/r good rivers or c/c most bad ones.

I always get a little confused about these kinds of spots OOP though. I'm not sure shoving turn is bad if we also shove some of our stronger draws, but it just seems a lot easier to balance by not shoving anything.
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09-26-2017 , 03:19 AM
I ended up just shoving, which I think was lazy/scared, but not super duper terrible...knowing this player I felt like he was going to put me to a tough decision on river no matter what card came, and I didn't want to deal with it.

I was never actually considering folding, was kinda just joking about that. None of my leaks involve folding too much lol.

He had 56

I do think I should have 3 bet pre, so as to not allow him in cheap or squeeze...

I think I agree c/c turn is prob better line here. I need to work on not being scared of tough river decisions.
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