Hello Friends,

started to take shots at 25NL. General pool is much more aggressive and never faced that line at 10NL.

Preflop:
Could squeeze sometimes but I think a call is fine most of the time.

OTF:
Standard rangebet. I Think call is fine, we block the board pretty hard. Raising will just get rid of all the Tx, drawing hands, underpairs etc.

OTT:
Overbet into 2 ppl seems super strong or super weak to me. 8 doesn't change much but for 3 combos of 88. Thinking of UTG range he can have KK, TT, AA, KT, 44, 88, QJ of spades, AQ of spades, AKo, KQ with Q of spades, Q9s, QQ who tries to get folds and air.
I still have top 2 to go with second nut fd. Raising makes no sense at all to me, so i call. Folding would be to nitty I think.

OTR:
River improves AQ, Q9, KJ (which I don't think is in his range). Villain goes all in for 2x pot. At this point it gets tricky because I didn't face turn overbets / river shoves before. Basically he says he has KK, TT or 88 or he tries me to get off from any better hand than his actual hand. He can still have hands like QJ of spades, AK with the Ace of spades, maybe KQ and of course busted air. So I don't like the spot but I still should be good a decent amount of time. I made the call and got lucky this time.


If you have any thoughts on this hand (how it could be played better or different) please let me know. I am very grateful for any help and new insights on facing overbets. I am not planning to use them myself in the near future but I think on higher limits I will face them more often, so I need a plan how to play against it. Also is this line from Villain to aggresive or is it standard? Thank you as always for your efforts and help!

Cheers

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 167.56 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 117.76 BB
MP: 63.28 BB
CO: 39.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T K

UTG raises to 2.52 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.12 BB, Hero calls 1.52 BB

Flop: (7.56 BB, 3 players) T K 4
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets 2.2 BB, SB calls 2.2 BB, Hero calls 2.2 BB

Turn: (14.16 BB, 3 players) 8
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets 18.92 BB, fold, Hero calls 18.92 BB

River: (52 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, UTG bets 94.12 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 76.36 BB and is all-in

UTG shows A 7 (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 59%, Flop 7%, Turn 16%)
Hero shows T K (Two Pair, Kings and Tens)
(Pre 41%, Flop 93%, Turn 84%)
Hero wins 196.72 BB

Yes, because you didn't 3bet preflop and just called on the flop you are really capped, so the overbet is fine with his hand. However knowing this I would raise on the turn and never call without a spade and especially because you are blocking 2 sets

as played I could fold on the river.

Please dont post results. I think it's wp, your range is very weak on this flop, so you cant raise much or anything and stay balanced, hand is more interesting from villain POV, as UTG where you have tons of thin valuebets and vs 2 players you should lean towards valuebetting your 1 pair hands on 2/3 streets and checking than bluffing and those kind of sizings dont help the cause, especially that vs utg people dont sqeeze that many broadway hands, so it's not like you can run people over here, i can imagine ak in sb and 44/tt in both of blinds ranges.

im def raising flop especially because SB is likely a fish. and you can fold river, people rarely ob into 2 players - one of whom is likely fish - without the goods (though obv he did in this spot which is surprising). if river is a brick you have to call obv but Q9ss and AQss make straights otr which is enough for me to fold this

if you are folding kt on river you are just folding 95% of your range, without people like you 6+BB winrates would not be possible in those games, and yeah, i m nl 25 PS reg. I only agree that villain should not bluff much with fish on sb, but we dont even know if sb is a fish (sorry, but calling SB is not indicator) river is HU pot, so i would expect villain to bluff with normal frequencies, and i wouldnt be shocked if he is doing this with some SDV, like qj/aj, hero blocks a lot of villain valuebets

Thank you for your answers so far, as i said I am very happy about any input.

Huge river overbets seem to be 97% value bets on lower limits. I think the higher you play the more you will see river bluffs with good blockers. What do you think is the bluff/value ratio on NL25?

Regarding the hand, I was more inclined to call bc with KT I block a lot of villains value range.

codee, diffrence betwean nl 25 and nl10 i that few good players on nl25 are really good, and on PS you ocassionally run into nl50 regs outside prime time, even if in theory games have good liquidity i see much less fish on PS than i see on GG streams for example. 97% value/bluff ratio? lol how you counted this? i see lot of turn overbets as semibluffs, huge river overbets are not that common as they should, but you see them and certainly not with like 90% value.

97% is just an exaggeration to illustrate that there is not so much bluffing going on at lower limits. That is just what I encountered.

raising on the turn seems absolutely atrocious to me, in order to somewhat counter villain pounding on our capped range we should absolutely call these very strong hands OTT

River really depends on how wide you are calling turn. Given turn is 3 ways and you are probably folding your worst Kx hands you can fold KT on the river and call with KJ/44

Agreed. Raising turn with our few strong hands on the turn seems like it will just lead to us getting demolished on the vast majority of rivers

This. I believe with results showing, it was well played also.

I will put results in "spoiler" next time.

Best to put results after 24 hrs or so. Let it breathe.

@codee You say you're starting to take your first shots at NL25. I think it's dangerous to make assumptions about a pool you're new to. You're talking about the "lower limits", but as you probably know, NL10 is not NL50.

You might have the feeling NL25 regs aren't bluffing the river much (97% you say), but is that actually true? Do you have any evidence to back it up? Sure, some articles / Youtube videos say they aren't bluffing enough, but that doesn't mean they're never bluffing... Or close to never bluffing. Not bluffing enough could be 10% below equilabrium for example.

Flop is definitely not a standard range bet multiway
You can raise with top 2 and is one of the hands that will raise at highest frequency, having said that call is totally fine too.

On the turn I would consider raising this combo since you preserve your valor on a spade, but again calling is fine.

River definitely okay, his bluff is trash and you should mark him as overbluffing

I was talking about NL10 and below. I might be wrong and people actually bluff enough, I am not a wizzard just someone who tries to get better at poker.

But I see your point and thank your for that. You are saying I shouldn't make my decision on false assumptions, so I try to have a more differentiated view on things in future.

Thanks for the answer, marked him as aggressive.

Raising the turn seems to be good.

Turn raise is awfull against anybody with braincells

Turn raise is awful against anyone who understands that overbets should be reserved for very polarized ranges. Brain cells do not equal poker knowledge. That said, I believe you should assume a polarized range in these situations until you are proven wrong.

I believe a raise otf would be ok and maybe preferred. The flop is not too coordinated and doesn't favor your range, but it's mw, and you have a good hand that's vulnerable, so you'd rather be hu. Ott just call. Otr you have a fairly good bluffcatcher. Blocking spades is bad, but blocking KJ and sets is good.

I think that a flop raise makes a lot of sense with this hand, especially given that it's multi-way. Calling works as well and given that we've chosen to call flop this run out seems like a clear call down. To ever fold river here feels like we would be way over folding. Villain is applying a lot of pressure to your range with his line, and if he's halfway decent he will be bluffing sometimes. KTss is right in the part of your range that can withstand that pressure.

xr flop