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08-24-2019 , 07:05 AM
Partypoker 100BB eff.

Hero is on the BTN with A4 and opens to 2.5x
BB calls

Flop (5.3BB)
642

Villain checks
Hero bets 1.8BB
Villain raises to 11BB
Hero calls

Turn (27.3BB)
642J

Villain bets 21BB
Hero calls

River (69.3BB)
642JQ

Villain jams for just under pot
Hero calls
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08-24-2019 , 07:33 AM
you even lose to some bluffs

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08-24-2019 , 09:28 AM
With A4o on the button you actually want BB to fold to your steal. Don’t steal with this hand if you are going to be called a lot. A4s would be a better choice but it’s still very loose.
If reg is splashy, wait for better hands. It’s going to be tough playing against a splashy player OOP.



They flop should have been a check.

AP: fold flop.


BTW what makes you think this player is splashy?
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08-24-2019 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by chopari333
With A4o on the button you actually want BB to fold to your steal. Don’t steal with this hand if you are going to be called a lot. A4s would be a better choice but it’s still very loose.
If reg is splashy, wait for better hands. It’s going to be tough playing against a splashy player OOP.



They flop should have been a check.

AP: fold flop.


BTW what makes you think this player is splashy?
I think you need to do some work on your opening ranges. A4s can be opened at a 100% frequency starting from MP and I open it most of the time from UTG as well, unless CO or BTN are aggressive regs. A4o is a standard open from BTN and I'd only ever consider folding it if both SB and BB are very good regs.

So my cbet strategy on the flop is to bet 33% since the board doesnt connect that well with either player which means my overall range is still at an equity advantage and I want to leverage my positional advantage by betting small and really putting hands like QJ,JT,K9 into a tough spot on flop already. Theres also added value in the fact that the player pool really has no clue how to defend vs this size properly and I've witnessed it so many times first hand. For this size A4o can be bet most of the time but if you play with a bigger cbet it should be checked mostly.

Obviously I have some history with the player if I'm telling you hes splashy. I've seen some hands that were... not standard to put it nicely.

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Originally Posted by I_NUK3D_U
you even lose to some bluffs

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Villain shouldnt bluff with this line with a better hand ever and I have no reason to deviate unless I know that he is.
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08-24-2019 , 10:19 AM
if you're going to cb that texture often, you have to fold some % of your range to x/r, the bigger the raise, the more you fold

if he really is confirmed splashy, I've made a killing up to 100z/200reg shipping turns in these spots like it's none of my business. they end up betting these turns so recklessly, there's nothing they can do when you rip it to them. maybe not the premier candidate when it comes to combos but you don't block fds and block a set and 2p. not to mention sometimes you get called by nfds and combo draws cause they're paranoid by nature.
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08-24-2019 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
if you're going to cb that texture often, you have to fold some % of your range to x/r, the bigger the raise, the more you fold

if he really is confirmed splashy, I've made a killing up to 100z/200reg shipping turns in these spots like it's none of my business. they end up betting these turns so recklessly, there's nothing they can do when you rip it to them. maybe not the premier candidate when it comes to combos but you don't block fds and block a set and 2p. not to mention sometimes you get called by nfds and combo draws cause they're paranoid by nature.
Yeah I think flop is the most important decision point in the hand. Usually I fold here but vs this specific player I think calling is better. Turn and river dont really improve him that often although its possible since he could be raising some hands he shouldnt on the flop. Imo the river calldown is warranted at that point with the best blocker as you mentioned.
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08-24-2019 , 03:22 PM
I definitely don’t want to play a A4o against somebody that is going to be very aggressive post flop and splashy with any kind of hand. Im rarely going to flop a monster and i will probably only feel comfortable with at least a paired A against over aggro V. I don’t think this is a good spot to hero call three streets with 4th best pair even if he is splashy. There are much better spots to do so.


If you want to open A4o you can do that. Don’t do it just because it’s a “standard raise”. Don’t do it do to call down with a pair of 4s either.


You also mention you want to put Qj, JJ in a tough spot. If that is what you put V on, why do you keep calling the turn when a J hits. Why call river if a Q hits?

What range do you have V on that justify you calling 3 streets.

y I_NUK3D_U is also right. You even loose to some bluffs. Why do you think V wouldn’t bluff here ever? You said yourself he is splashy.
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08-24-2019 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chopari333
With A4o on the button you actually want BB to fold to your steal. Don’t steal with this hand if you are going to be called a lot. A4s would be a better choice but it’s still very loose.
Both are standard opens and neither are loose, let alone, "very loose". You want villains to fold 100% of the time vs 100% of the hands in your range pre from any positions, so the first sentence is the same as saying A is A.
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08-24-2019 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by chopari333
If you want to open A4o you can do that. Don’t do it just because it’s a “standard raise”.
I'd like to understand your thinking here. I define "standard" as the minimum ranges that should be played 100% of the time versus all villains (even if specific hands in that range are mixed frequencies) that can't be exploited by villains of any type preflop. How does your definition differ?
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08-24-2019 , 05:43 PM
I’m just trying to point out that when raising A4o the plan should not be to go to showdown and loose a full stack with close to bottom pair. IMO what gives A4o advantage to open with is the A and not necessarily the 4 unless you hit the flop hard with a SD, FD, trips, 2P. A4 will also give you an advantage as in A high sometimes. A4 is easier to play when hitting a TPBK kind of hand.

It is a standard raise and you should open it IMO. I say it’s loose because if you are opening A4o this would mean you raise about 30% of your range, which I usually consider as a loose player.

Is my reasoning incorrect?
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08-24-2019 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chopari333
Is my reasoning incorrect?
Only opening 30% on the button is nitty. 30% overall VPIP would be fishy and loose in most cases.
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08-24-2019 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chopari333

It is a standard raise and you should open it IMO. I say it’s loose because if you are opening A4o this would mean you raise about 30% of your range, which I usually consider as a loose player.

Is my reasoning incorrect?
Yes, your reasoning is incorrect. on the button when using a 2.5x open raise size you are supposed to open 40-45%. If there is a player in the blinds who is willing to make mistakes you can open wider than usual because hands that should not turn a profit against a good villain now can be played profitable. A4o will more often win at showdown vs a Spewy villain than vs a "standard" villain.

the only good reason in my opinion to not open that hand would be because it is a marginal open, the pool is full of whales who dont really care on how our stats look like and by folding i get to play more hands per hour and increase my hourly (if playing zoom).
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08-25-2019 , 02:55 AM
Result:
Villain shows K3
Hero wins
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