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11-20-2017 , 11:40 PM
Can you give me some feedback?
The first player UTG is a fish.
The player on the SB is a bad reg 22/16 (375 hands). Raise cbet: 12 WTSD: 36.
The player on the BB is also a bad reg 28/18. WTSD: 28.

Party, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $103.91 (415.6 bb)
UTG: $7.69 (30.8 bb)
Hero (MP): $26.49 (106 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)
BTN: $76.52 (306.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A A
UTG raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.90, 2 folds, SB calls $1.80, BB calls $1.65, UTG calls $1.40

Flop: ($7.60) 5 T 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5, SB raises to $23.10 and is all-in, BB calls $23.10, UTG folds.
Hero?
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11-21-2017 , 12:42 AM
Easiest fold with AA youll ever make
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11-21-2017 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Evoxgsr96
Easiest fold with AA youll ever make
That was what I did, and was quite sure about it. But then I saw that the SB had KQ of diamonds and the BB had K10o (and the aces held xD).
As long as it is a good fold in the long run I am fine with it; however, I am not expecting the BB to have those kind hands (I wrote it down for the next time).
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11-21-2017 , 03:59 AM
Easy fold because of BB.
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11-21-2017 , 09:41 AM
would be tougher without Ad
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11-21-2017 , 09:42 AM
Good fold, you have the Ad.
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11-21-2017 , 12:57 PM
I don't think it's as easy of a fold as everyone is implying (although, who knows, it probably is), but I'm also folding. It's really hard for them to both have worse hands. I think TT-99 are in both of their ranges. We have the A and so they can't have too many flush draws; more importantly, it's incredibly hard for them to both have flush draws.

If BB is some sort of 80/10 fish instead I think it's a call.
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11-21-2017 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 4TWeen
That was what I did, and was quite sure about it. But then I saw that the SB had KQ of diamonds and the BB had K10o (and the aces held xD).
As long as it is a good fold in the long run I am fine with it; however, I am not expecting the BB to have those kind hands (I wrote it down for the next time).
Yeah vs there range it's good, if it's a loose passive whale/fish who will GII light/over-call a lot in these MW pots or a bad reg who will over-call/over-defend here a lot then call. Least you got some helpful notes
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11-21-2017 , 04:37 PM
op your notes say both are bad Regs did you have reason to believe that before this hand , if so why ?
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11-21-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 4TWeen
The player on the SB is a bad reg 22/16 (375 hands). Raise cbet: 12 WTSD: 36.
The player on the BB is also a bad reg 28/18. WTSD: 28.
I'm curious, do you have specific reads about them both being 'bad regs', or going just by the stats?

Obviously this part come from having read the results, but I was thinking, do you think they're bad regs because you've seen them play like that in the past?
Because if you've seen BB call a check/shove in a 3bet pot without even having TPTK, this might influence our move here.

But as others said, it's hard for them to have flush draws here (even tho SB
actually had one this time) unless they call 3bets with trashy hands, given we have the A and the T is on board. 3 broadway combos and a few smaller suited connectors (if they cold call 3bets with those), that's it.

With the info we have, fold and take notes... But if this situation were to happen again, I think we got to call. It's close with SB but BB adds a lot of (not 'dead', but low EV) money on the pot.

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Originally Posted by Feng Shui
op your notes say both are bad Regs did you have reason to believe that before this hand , if so why ?
Guess we thought the same heh.
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11-21-2017 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Feng Shui
op your notes say both are bad Regs did you have reason to believe that before this hand , if so why ?
I have seen them both doing some really questionable plays when playing against them, moreover, they are big losers over the sample of hands that I have (I know it's not enough). His stats don't help either.
Obviously after this play, I can easily say that the BB is a bad reg.
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11-21-2017 , 07:15 PM
I think even the hands you hope bluff here are pretty much KdQd/QdJd where you aren't even far ahead. You're up against 99/TT most of the time. The fact it's four to the flop and BB has already called make this a trivial fold.

All that said, this wouldn't be the first time I'd made a smug fold and then shouted WTF when the cards went over.
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11-21-2017 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 4TWeen
I have seen them both doing some really questionable plays when playing against them, moreover, they are big losers over the sample of hands that I have (I know it's not enough). His stats don't help either.
Obviously after this play, I can easily say that the BB is a bad reg.
Possibly enough info to make a bit of a crying call. You have the bdfd as'well which adds a bit of equity if your behind. You would usually expect someone to have 2 pair+ here but with the given info it's a far tougher fold.
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11-21-2017 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 4TWeen
I have seen them both doing some really questionable plays when playing against them, moreover, they are big losers over the sample of hands that I have (I know it's not enough). His stats don't help either.
Obviously after this play, I can easily say that the BB is a bad reg.
Possibly enough info to make a bit of a crying call already. You have the bdfd as'well as some insurance. You would usually expect someone to have 2 pair+ here but with the given info it's a far tougher fold.
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