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25nl 4bet pot 88 vs river shove 25nl 4bet pot 88 vs river shove

04-24-2019 , 05:20 AM
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NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
HERO ($25.68) [VPIP: 23% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 26.2% | 3-Bet: 8.6% | Hands: 218445]
BB ($42.3) [VPIP: 14.2% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 43.8% | 3-Bet: 5.5% | Hands: 121]
CO ($25) [VPIP: 27.1% | PFR: 20.8% | AGG: 64.3% | 3-Bet: 5.9% | Hands: 50]
BTN ($71.02) [VPIP: 35.2% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 56.8% | 3-Bet: 15.8% | Hands: 109]

Dealt to Hero: 8 8

CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.50, HERO Raises To $2.10, BB Folds, BTN Raises To $4.45, HERO Calls $2.35

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.32 effective]
Flop ($9.15): T 4 3
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $3 (Rem. Stack: 63.57), HERO Calls $3 (Rem. Stack: 18.23)

Turn ($15.15): T 4 3 3
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

River ($15.15): T 4 3 3 9
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $63.57 (allin), HERO???

Not a big fan of this spot. Looks pretty trivial, but I am actually quite high up in range, I don't defend any Tx or 9x, I don't flat queens or jacks vs a MIN 4-bet sb vs BU.

I am asking this partially as a question about general adjustment. I do not have a lot of hands logged at 25. I am calling here thinking it's going to be pretty breakeven, should I be passing on spots like this post a lot? I just want to fold it, I basically on the turn am saying : "look at this run, why wouldn't they check aces or kings back" (kind of gives up my action in the hand XD ), but should I just say "**** my range, I need to fold"?
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04-24-2019 , 05:23 AM
jam flop

ap, youre gonna need to call some of these combos otr. Does he finds enough bluffs? Its hard to tell since he should get to the river with quite a lot of A/K highs. Calling will never be terrible, I wouldnt think about this spot too much.
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04-24-2019 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
jam flop

ap, youre gonna need to call some of these combos otr. Does he finds enough bluffs? Its hard to tell since he should get to the river with quite a lot of A/K highs. Calling will never be terrible, I wouldnt think about this spot too much.
hey, thanks for the response. I just did put this through a solver, and even nodelocking for checking AA / KK back on turn (relevant because solver just shoves these on the turn), 88 - 66 is called at some frequency. of course, this board is a 100% cbet for IP player, and this particular villain, though they were giving me trouble, I do have to admit was playing pretty logically, so I was not going to give them credit for always having a hand after c-betting this board. I also did just see (roughly 5 hands ago) this villain min 4-bet me in the same spot with AK.

I think I'm going to start rnging these spots, I haven't worked with an RNG before.

Jam flop is interesting. We are just equity denying in this spot because villain is firing 100% of range, and has a lot of roughly 25% equity hands that we don't want to play guessing games on turns/rivers against? So we can get villain to under-realize with his ace highs, and just get stacked by the hands that we're going to have to call down against sometimes anyway?
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04-24-2019 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by amazin lazer
hey, thanks for the response. I just did put this through a solver, and even nodelocking for checking AA / KK back on turn (relevant because solver just shoves these on the turn), 88 - 66 is called at some frequency. of course, this board is a 100% cbet for IP player, and this particular villain, though they were giving me trouble, I do have to admit was playing pretty logically, so I was not going to give them credit for always having a hand after c-betting this board. I also did just see (roughly 5 hands ago) this villain min 4-bet me in the same spot with AK.

I think I'm going to start rnging these spots, I haven't worked with an RNG before.

Jam flop is interesting. We are just equity denying in this spot because villain is firing 100% of range, and has a lot of roughly 25% equity hands that we don't want to play guessing games on turns/rivers against? So we can get villain to under-realize with his ace highs, and just get stacked by the hands that we're going to have to call down against sometimes anyway?

If you gave solvers a jam and a 25% cbet size ott, it would mainly bet small I believe.

And yeah pretty much the bolded part
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04-25-2019 , 03:56 PM
OOP against someone this aggro, I prefer jamming pre. As played, against someone like this I'd call river. He'll have enough bluffs for it to be profitable.
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04-25-2019 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
OOP against someone this aggro, I prefer jamming pre. As played, against someone like this I'd call river. He'll have enough bluffs for it to be profitable.
I'm not 3-betting 88 OOP against someone this aggro in the first place. But if you are I agree I think you've got to be doing it with the intention of shoving over a 4-bet.

As played I think the river's basically a coin toss so take your pick.
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