Playing some 25nl Zoom on Ignition and I had a pretty weird hand that I wanted to line check with you guys.

Hero is dealt 8s8d in the cutoff. UTG+1 limps in, hero raises to $1, folds around to Villain who calls. We are $25 effective here.

Pot: $2.35 (minus the rake, not 100% sure what it is).

Flop: 4s2s3c

Villain checks, Hero bets $1.25, Villain raises to $4.70, Hero calls.

Alright, so things start off interesting already. I have an overpair to a very wet board, one that I don't think smashes a UTG+1's range, and I'm looking at a check/raise. I can't imagine he has much here - pocket pairs would have raised pre, and so would hands like As5s, As3s, AsTs+.

I also don't see too many hands like 43s limp/calling here, and there's only 2 combos left of that anyhow.

Most of the flush draw combos aren't really going to fall here either, anything with 2 face cards is going to be raising pre, and so are hands like 76s+.

The only thing I can really see limp/calling are very weak suited aces, like A6s-A9s, but there's so few combos of hands we're behind here so we go ahead and make the call.

Pot: $11.75

Turn: 6s

Villain bets $5.87, Hero calls.

I'm pretty sure this is a good card for us. I don't imagine that villain has many flushes in his range here, and this crushes hands like 6s5s that could be check/raising the flop. It removes 7s6s and 9s6s as well, though the latter was never a real concern.

6s coming on the turn eliminates pretty much every flush from his range. Save for Ts9s, which I don't think is ever limp/calling, I just don't see many flushes here. There's no suited connectors left that wouldn't be raising pre. We have to worry about As7s and As9s, that's pretty much it. I'm not about to fold an overpair to two combos, so we make the call.

Pot: $23.74

River: Ks

Villain bets $13.78 (all in), Hero calls.

So, kind of a bad card for us on the river, but we have do have a spade so we can make some calls here. I felt like unless villain was bluffing on the flop using As as a blocker, we were good here the majority of the time.

The 4th spade on board is a great card to continue a bluff on, so taking those things into consideration, we make the call.

Thoughts? Did I butcher this hand or the thinking in it?

In your analysis you state that turn is a good card. Imo it's one of the worst in the deck

Why is that? It eliminates pretty much every flush (unless I'm totally wrong, which is why I'm posting), and unless villain has some kind of 65s or 75s that limp/called I don't think it's a huge problem, is it?

I mainly meant that it doesn't really change the texture of the board - if we were good on the flop we're likely still good on the turn, is that wrong?

How much history do you have with Villian. Do you have enough history to assign him a reasonable accurate limping range. Imo experience if villians open limp at all why would they not limp stuff like A3s A5s A9s KTs QTs etc . He could be limping all sorts of flush combos that got there on the turn. Not to mention the small pocket pairs he could limp call pre.

Also this is a full ring hand so should be in the full ring forum.

This is Zone poker on Ignition - it's not full ring, nor am I able to assign an accurate limping range because it's... you know, Zone poker, on Ignition, like I said in the original post.

Actually I guess I called it Zoom by mistake, but still.

I've never played on ignition but taking it that zone is fastfold same as zoom. Well on zoom I can get stats so how am I to know that there is no way you have stats. 6maz games don't tend to have utg+1 in HH's so that's why it looks like a full ring game as decribed .

For me readless you should not be calling that river but I don't play 25nl and I don't play on that site

Ignition is an anonymous site - there's no usernames or anything like that. So, there's no way to collect data in zone games.

I'm admittedly ignorant of the proper names for seats in 6max - I'm used to playing $5/$5 live full ring.

Ok mate confusion sorted. Onto the hand. If you can't assign villian to a range due to lack of stats then you can't say he can't have many Axss because he would raise those pre i.e. A3s A5s ATs etc. Your just having assumptions on an anonymous player. I personally would fold turn because you are at the stone bottom of your range and a ton of semi bluffs just got there.

Fixed.

Fold flop.

If I fold flop here with every overpair that has spades, aren't I going to overfold pretty massively?

25nl Zoom on Ignition

You don't have info on villain so you can't make these specific assumptions about his range. They'v resulted in a really narrow unrealistic range and very loose call down. The average opponent at this level can definitely be limp calling with suited broadway hands utg.

fold flop
fold turn
fold river

not sure why you discounted all those combos from preflop, fish limp everything, even premiums sometimes. His flop sizing is bigger than what you would normally see so you have worse odds to call, and his range is much stronger, basically just flush draws, nutted hands, and overpairs.

Not folding flop, turn or river. I think you played it fine OP

Aren't most limpers loose passive? Most of the time when they get aggressive randomly, I give them credit for a hand better than 88 here and just fold flop. Even if he's a total spazz, this is the worst runout ever.