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05-24-2020 , 03:29 PM
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lil feller
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Villian is 26/23/14 with a high AF over almost 500 hands.

Yatahay Network - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $434.88
SB: $209.16
Hero (BB): $207.70
UTG: $253.40
MP: $214.60
CO: $108.64

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has A K

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $5.20, Hero raises to $16.00, SB raises to $44.00, Hero raises to $95.00, SB raises to $209.16 and is all-in, Hero?

I think the 3 bet is standard, really interested in discussion about the 5 bet (and the associated gap between his 2 betting range, and his 4 betting range). Also about the 5 bet sizing if that's the right play, and what to do when he 6 bet jams.
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05-24-2020 , 03:32 PM
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5bet jam. Obviously call as played.

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05-24-2020 , 04:55 PM
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Are you mostly a limit player?

Preflop should just be a 5b jam, as played you can't fold
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05-24-2020 , 09:25 PM
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5bet jam.
Kind of worried about you considering any action other than calling after you click raise for 50% of your stack.
And yeah the 5bet sizing doesn't make much sense as far as I can tell, unless you know as an exploit that villain will make a mistake against that for some reason (he looks like a reg though, so most likely pointless).
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05-25-2020 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Iblis
5bet jam.
Kind of worried about you considering any action other than calling after you click raise for 50% of your stack.
And yeah the 5bet sizing doesn't make much sense as far as I can tell, unless you know as an exploit that villain will make a mistake against that for some reason (he looks like a reg though, so most likely pointless).
I called, obviously I'm never folding. Here's my thought, happy to be wrong.

First, is it wrong to assume that this player has 4 bet bluffs? If he does then is there merit in not ripping it in for a 5x 5 bet to try and keep some of those hands in? Am I jamming AA here as well? The sizing was weird. 5x seemed too big to keep hands I want in in, could be over thinking.

Appreciate the feedback, and no need to worry... I'm doing ok.

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05-25-2020 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by lil feller
I called, obviously I'm never folding. Here's my thought, happy to be wrong.

First, is it wrong to assume that this player has 4 bet bluffs? If he does then is there merit in not ripping it in for a 5x 5 bet to try and keep some of those hands in? Am I jamming AA here as well? The sizing was weird. 5x seemed too big to keep hands I want in in, could be over thinking.

Appreciate the feedback, and no need to worry... I'm doing ok.

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No, No, No gl!
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05-25-2020 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by lil feller
I called, obviously I'm never folding. Here's my thought, happy to be wrong.

First, is it wrong to assume that this player has 4 bet bluffs? If he does then is there merit in not ripping it in for a 5x 5 bet to try and keep some of those hands in? Am I jamming AA here as well? The sizing was weird. 5x seemed too big to keep hands I want in in, could be over thinking.

Appreciate the feedback, and no need to worry... I'm doing ok.

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you made it $16 and he made it $44, that's an incredibly normal 4b size. And yes all of your 5bets will be jams here
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05-25-2020 , 04:28 AM
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First, is it wrong to assume that this player has 4 bet bluffs? If he does then is there merit in not ripping it in for a 5x 5 bet to try and keep some of those hands in?
Well but you don't want him to be able to make correct calls against your range with his bluffs, it's better to just take down the pot. (Or if you are assuming he will make a mistake, why? Hard to get a usable sample on how villains react to different sized 5bets...) Also you probably don't want to 5bet bluff with this sizing (or even if you do, you can't bluff as much as with a shove), but then either you will be overbluffing when you are 5bet jamming or you need to fold some of the bluffs that would have been profitable if you just had a single 5-bet jam range.
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05-25-2020 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by lil feller
I called, obviously I'm never folding. Here's my thought, happy to be wrong.

First, is it wrong to assume that this player has 4 bet bluffs? If he does then is there merit in not ripping it in for a 5x 5 bet to try and keep some of those hands in? Am I jamming AA here as well? The sizing was weird. 5x seemed too big to keep hands I want in in, could be over thinking.

Appreciate the feedback, and no need to worry... I'm doing ok.

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You asked what to do when villain 6bet jams in the OP. :O
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05-25-2020 , 10:54 AM
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You asked what to do when villain 6bet jams in the OP. :O
Validating my own thought in the moment that folding was out of the question, even though I was certain I was behind. Was curious to see if anybody would advocate for a fold, and why. Lucky for us, everybody knows a fold is off the table.



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