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10-22-2018 , 11:44 PM

DooDooPoker

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Thoughts? Disregard PF stats please

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.1(BB)
UTG ($9.8) [VPIP: 3.7% | PFR: 3.7% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 27]
HJ ($39.27) [VPIP: 7.1% | PFR: 6.2% | AGG: 50% | 3-Bet: 9.5% | Hands: 113]
CO ($7.8) [VPIP: 8.9% | PFR: 6.7% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 45]
HERO ($11.51) [VPIP: 29.5% | PFR: 21.8% | AGG: 28.3% | 3-Bet: 12.3% | Hands: 2761]
SB ($6.6) [VPIP: 26.7% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 66.7% | 3-Bet: 20% | Hands: 30]
BB ($9.63) [VPIP: 11.1% | PFR: 11.1% | AGG: 42.9% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 54]

Dealt to Hero: 6

UTG Raises To $0.25, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.90, SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Calls $0.65

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.56 effective]
Flop ($1.95): 5

UTG Checks, HERO Bets $0.67 (Rem. Stack: 9.94), UTG Calls $0.67 (Rem. Stack: 8.23)

Turn ($3.29): 5

UTG Checks, HERO Bets $1.56 (Rem. Stack: 8.38), UTG Calls $1.56 (Rem. Stack: 6.67)

River ($6.41): 5

UTG Checks, HERO Bets $8.38 (allin)

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10-23-2018 , 12:01 AM

MMSS

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I think you need to look at your default game and why you are deviating from that in certain spots. It's maybe sample bias as you may play a lot of hands and only post the ones you do weird **** like this in but I still think this is a fair comment.

Villain looks like a fishy nit, fold every street. Readless, fold every street.

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10-23-2018 , 12:10 AM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by MMSS

Yeah there are no stats in zoom games so no one has a HUD. Just assume default villain. I think 3betting this from the BTN to an UTG open some % of the time is fine.

Villain shouldn't have AK in his range so that leaves 2 combos of KQs. I have 8 combos of AK + 2 combos of KQs - range advantage?

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10-23-2018 , 12:16 AM

robert_utk

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Spew. No further analysis possible. Maybe psychoanalysis, but that is the psychology subforum.

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10-23-2018 , 02:54 AM

ChipsNcrisps

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ok thats just spew

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10-23-2018 , 04:13 AM

SH1591

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What are you doing?

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10-23-2018 , 04:24 AM

Chrysostom

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 151

this is spew. Villain isn't bought in full, so is probably a fish (who don't like to fold), so pre is bad, and once the board double pairs on the turn he's probs not folding whatever he has.

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10-23-2018 , 04:29 AM

ChipsNcrisps

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pf and turn are by far the worst streets

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10-23-2018 , 04:42 AM

DooDooPoker

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you guys are happy calling TT-JJ here?

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10-23-2018 , 04:49 AM

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ChipsNcrisps

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Not only does this spot not apply to us (because we would all be full stacked) but you are just using terrible combinations to bluff in a spot where V's range is full of FHs.

Yes he might fold TT-JJ, fds otr and call his Kx (making the river bet somewhat ok)
But if you look at the hand overall its a **** show from start to end. Just because he will fold a % of his range otr does not mean you should be bluffing any two...

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10-23-2018 , 04:52 AM

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Chrysostom

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not happy about it, but I probs would not fold, & a fish definitely isn't.

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10-23-2018 , 04:55 AM

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ChipsNcrisps

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One thing as well is that ur std dev will be huge playing like this and you will experience swings that frankly, will not only decimate your roll but also your confidence

play simple good strategy, that involve a lot of folding and thin v.betting
youll be at 50nl in no time

and bluff vs capped ranges, hes not capped here. If anything hes likely to have hands like KJo...
Focus more on exploiting 'capped' lines like the bet x bet one

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10-23-2018 , 05:49 AM

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Iblis

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Not a good bluff when villain could be calling with A-high.

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10-23-2018 , 07:48 AM

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Gabe16

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That second king really uncapped villains range, we filter out some draws with the turn bet also. So villain likely gets to the river a bit heavy on calls.

If you don’t have a way to know how often your 3B these hands your likely to be over bluffing. I don’t think it’s necessary to have suited gappers anyway. We doing bet with sc’s.

Our bluff needs to work around 55%. I’m not sure we get that.

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10-23-2018 , 08:10 AM

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Ojune

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awful except for the flop & river

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10-23-2018 , 10:07 AM

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ArtyMcFly

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I don't mind pre, but I think I just give up immediately on the flop with that combo (no BDFD). I'm not gonna do any deep range analysis, but I think I check back that flop quite a lot (including with AK) and use 65s/54s and AA as my value bets, and FDs as bluffs.
Everyone has different 3-bet ranges and flatting ranges, so it's kind of pointless listing out all the combos.

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10-23-2018 , 11:25 AM

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DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

Yeah I do agree my std deviation is probably very high. I feel like a lot of players raise my turn bet with a King because they don’t have the discipline to call turn then X to me on the river so I can exploit that.

I recently went through a huge 30 BI downswing at 25NL and decided to get some coaching to help me be more accountable for lines like this.

Thanks for the responses

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10-23-2018 , 12:24 PM

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robert_utk

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My 2c...

Gus Hansen lost a literal fortune playing this way.

Go back to the core of theoretical holdem, imo.

What purposes does having a range serve? There are more than one.

What does a bet mean, what does a bet accomplish?

If our opponents at the micro/small stakes have leaks and weakness, what general spin on GTO is most resilient at producing +EV lines, better winrate, fewer and shorter downswings?

You have flown too high, and melted your wings.

I have been there and done that, as have most aggro creative players.

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10-23-2018 , 04:16 PM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I recently went through a huge 30 BI downswing at 25NL and decided to get some coaching to help me be more accountable for lines like this.

I sort of figured if this wasn't happening to you yet it would very soon with all the weird bluffs you were posting. Not trying to be a dick and obviously you need to bluff some, but you were looking pretty out of line in my eyes anyways.

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10-23-2018 , 05:50 PM

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aprogle

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I kinda understand your other bluff even if i don't do those. but this one is just too far for me to understand, why did you even played after post flop?

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10-23-2018 , 07:05 PM

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afortiori

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I'm not sure if this is a flop you should be betting 1/3 on.

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