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10NL Top 2 facing 4bet flop 10NL Top 2 facing 4bet flop

12-15-2017 , 11:45 AM
Seat 1: Player1 ( $5.00 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 12, 3B: 2, AF: 3.0, Hands: 125
Seat 6: Hero ( $7.77 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 2.8, Hands:

Looking at his stats, he is a person who calls a lot PF and only 3bets 2% of his range in 125 hands.

On the flop, he could be raising with many flush draws, flush draws + gutshot, flush draw + OESD, 22, and less likely TT since I have one of the Tens, and even less likely KK since I hold one K and he probably would 3bet KK since his 3bet is so tight. He could also have other Kx flush combinations such as AK KQ KJ but again, I'd think AK 3bets here

I think my equity against that whole range is not great, 50%-56% depends if you take out the hands that most likely would 3bet me.
When he raises my flop Cbet, I don't know how much bet sizing I should 3bet there. Should I bet min 3betting? Against the 4bet shove, there is a lot of dead money in the pot but can I call or crying fold?


    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37895461

    CO: $5 (100 bb)
    BTN: $5 (100 bb)
    SB: $6.81 (136.2 bb)
    BB: $5.38 (107.6 bb)
    UTG: $8.28 (165.6 bb)
    Hero (MP): $7.77 (155.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with K T
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 3 folds

    Flop: ($0.37) T K 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.25, CO raises to $0.82, Hero raises to $1.80, CO raises to $4.85 and is all-in, Hero ??




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    19,800 games 0.000 secs 3,960,000 games/sec

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    19,800 games 0.000 secs 3,960,000 games/sec

    Board: Ts Kd 2s
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 59.793% 59.74% 00.05% 11829 10.00 { KhTd }
    Hand 1: 40.207% 40.16% 00.05% 7951 10.00 { TT, 22, AQs-AJs, KJs+, QJs }

    Last edited by Boxerz; 12-15-2017 at 11:48 AM. Reason: pokerstove
    10NL Top 2 facing 4bet flop Quote
    12-15-2017 , 12:45 PM
    PF's kinda close.

    Can't fold as played after we 3-bet and I don't think it's close.

    Your equity calc is wrong, for what it's worth -- when you give the villain a range of AQs-AJs, KJs+, QJs, you're including ALL suited combos and not just the spades. A more accurate equity number is something like:

    Hand 0 37.34% 37.28% 0.06% KhTd
    Hand 1 62.66% 62.60% 0.06% TT, 22, AsQs, KsQs, AsJs, KsJs, QsJs

    And we still can't fold when we only need to be good about 30% of the time. He doesn't need many flush draws or spewy AK combos for us to justify our decision.

    I would just call the flop raise though since I don't have much of a 3-betting range on this texture.
    10NL Top 2 facing 4bet flop Quote
    12-15-2017 , 12:46 PM
    I think you’re most likely facing a draw that is trying to maximize fold equity. It’s possible that it’s a set that is playing it fast on a wet board, but I don’t think that’s typical at the micro stakes. And, as you mentioned, you have blockers to two of the board cards. You’re getting 2.7 to 1 pot odds, which means you only need 30% equity to break even. I think you exceed that by a safe margin.

    And it’s the micros; it could easily be something like AK/KQ that is defending against draws.
    10NL Top 2 facing 4bet flop Quote
    12-15-2017 , 12:50 PM
    This is 5nl not 10 right (just checking).

    Call.

    Villain can definitely have AK here with a 3b of 2 (although in 125 hands this stat is not that relevant) and if you are discounting AK you should be discounting KK here by the same logic, flush and straight draws that he may have raised on the flop initially as a semi-bluff. You are only behind sets and you have blockers to two sets (so only 2 possible hand combinations) and 22VP isn't that likely to be calling with 22 pre flop OOP here.

    If you are putting yourself on 50%+ vs his range here I think you know that you have to call the 4bet.
    10NL Top 2 facing 4bet flop Quote
    12-15-2017 , 06:51 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mercury
    This is 5nl not 10 right (just checking).

    Call.

    Villain can definitely have AK here with a 3b of 2 (although in 125 hands this stat is not that relevant) and if you are discounting AK you should be discounting KK here by the same logic, flush and straight draws that he may have raised on the flop initially as a semi-bluff. You are only behind sets and you have blockers to two sets (so only 2 possible hand combinations) and 22VP isn't that likely to be calling with 22 pre flop OOP here.

    If you are putting yourself on 50%+ vs his range here I think you know that you have to call the 4bet.
    He was in position and yes 5nl. Accidental since I pay both
    10NL Top 2 facing 4bet flop Quote
    12-15-2017 , 07:54 PM
    KTo preflop for me is sometimes raise sometimes fold territory. Depends on the table, if it's zoom I tend to fold pre.

    As played snap call we have top 2 and villain can have AKss here, though I'd call the flop raise and let him keep bluffing on the turn and river.

    In general I am never folding top2, sets, trips and combo draws (oesd+fd pair+fd) on the flop under any circumstances for 100bb.
    10NL Top 2 facing 4bet flop Quote
    12-16-2017 , 07:39 PM
    snap call
    10NL Top 2 facing 4bet flop Quote

          
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