Should I have played this differently?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 107 BB (VPIP: 18.48, PFR: 13.59, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 191)
Hero (BB): 102 BB
CO: 47.8 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 4.44, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
BTN: 126 BB (VPIP: 31.08, PFR: 28.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 77)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 2 players) 9 3 J
Hero bets 14 BB, BTN calls 14 BB

Turn: (52.5 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN bets 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

River: (90.5 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 57 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 57 BB

Hero shows Q Q (Straight, Queen High)
(Pre 65%, Flop 68%, Turn 3%)
BTN shows Q K (Straight, King High)
(Pre 35%, Flop 32%, Turn 97%)
BTN wins 194.3 BB

2.4 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

I don’t see any reason to lead the river

I would bet the turn with the str8 blocker and combo draw. As played I don't like the river donk.

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you are getting call by a Q or nuts.

so, is no necesary to jam to split. you are loosing money (rake), and if he call you are definitely loosing.

he cant call you with two pairs, sets, or anything you are representing the Q clearly.

So, like the others say, i dont like the river jam.

But we are here to learn dosen't?

Because everything worse checks back and we block the nuts?

What other hands would possibly take this line besides Qx? Your range is super face up to any thinking player, and you know OP doesn’t have any bluffs here. Villain can play perfectly against it and fold everything but Qx

A thinking player should have bluffs on this river and the only way to bluff is by lead shoving, we aren't deep enough to x/r. We have the second nuts, we don't need to bluff catch. We probably don't have KQ with this line so this is more or less the top of our range. V can have 78 and we will get called by sets sometimes.

I don’t like speaking in absolutes but I guarantee you OP doesn’t have a bluffing range here

Is that relevant? I guarantee you OP didn't post here to let everyone know how he plays, he posted here because he wants to get better like everyone else does.

I would just bet the turn but AP the 10NL pool as a whole isn't good enough to fold 2p and sets often enough to make shoving bad, especially for half pot.

lol, you are realize that, if you shove the river, you ONLY GET CALL BY KQ and you split with Q, wich in the case you are splitting you are loosing money (Rake) to shoving here?.

He is not calling with tp, sets, or anything.

I too can make up stuff and PUT IT IN ALL CAPS to sound more convincing. We have no idea what V is going to call 1/2 pot river shoves with after 77 hands. If he is going to fold everything except for Qx then we for sure want bluffs and if we want bluffs we have to shove some value hands, I'm pretty sure second nuts qualifies.

It is, because just about no one is doing it. Even if they are though, they're probably not doing it correctly.

Can you honestly say that you're ever shoving in this spot without a queen in-game?

10nl WPN regs are probably good enough to snap fold the river with anything worse than middle set. This spot is just like when people check/call with a flush draw, then lead the next street because they're afraid of villain checking behind. At this level it's just like always super obvious value hands and no bluffs (at least for regs anyway).

Even if villain is calling with some worse hands, I'm not even sure if the EV gained is enough to offset the amount lost to rake when chopping with villain's many Qx and villain having the nuts.

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

I put my opponent on 99-JJ after the flop and figured I was up against a set on the turn. On the river I was hoping to get a call when the straight hit for me, and KQ took me by surprise.

What else are you gonna do with AT and KT?
Juicy bluff spot then considering the odds we have on the river

Would prefer to double barrel with our straight blocker and combo draw, no reason to lead river, only get called by a Q or KQ, would prefer to x/c to let him bluff some % of the time

I’m not saying don’t bluff here, I’m saying that no one at this level ever bluffs here

Saying "don't bluff here" is redundant anyway. How can OP possibly bluff in this spot since he's playing 10nl?

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I'm never considering a fold here. Our hand is too strong with the best possible blockers to the nuts. When you shove I think he calls with, at worst, two pair. This is dependent on your villain. I've only included top-two to his calling range.

With your QQ he has:
8 combos KQ
1 combo QJs
8 combos AQ
1 combo QQ
3 combos 99
3 combos TT
3 combos JJ
2 combos JTs

The play is +EV if you think VIL will call with sets or top two. If you're SURE that VIL never calls with trips then the play is a bad one. However, I think checking is better overall. We give VIL a chance to bluff with AK (which could definitely be in his range), and it increases the chance that he "value bets" sets. I don't think shoving will get a Qx hand to fold, so VIL will not fold a better hand here. We do miss some value when VIL checks behind with a set, but if VIL is tight enough to check a set it's unlikely he gets here with KQ.

I can see why you wouldn't be expecting KQ. Your 3-bet and cbet certainly represent a hand like QQ+, and VIL is calling pretty light with overs and a gutshot. He is dominated by your value range and behind your A high bluffs. I'd take a note about that.

If we check I don't see how we get away when VIL shoves. We block half the combos of the nuts, and we have great equity against his value range. Chalk it up to a cooler.

Good, I never said that

It’s not that OP can’t bluff in this spot, it’s just that they aren’t

So they can bluff but they don't

or is op a special kind of nl10 player?

It’s physically possible but the likelihood of it occurring is so low that they effectively don’t

I wonder if now that it has been brought up in his thread if OP will ever bluff in this spot in the future...what if something was learned and he still plays 10nl?

Let's hope not, it might create a glitch in the matrix

Then maybe he sucks a little less than the other 10nl regs