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09-20-2018 , 03:27 PM

aeh7ES

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Villian is unknowed. Only had 27 hands and he was 21/17 no 3bet.

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - €0.05/€0.10 - 6 players

UTG: €34.00 (340 bb)
MP: €14.71 (147 bb)
CO: €8.59 (86 bb)
BU (Hero): €24.78 (248 bb)
SB: €10.77 (108 bb)
BB: €10.69 (107 bb)

Pre-Flop: (€0.15) Hero is BTN with K♣ Q♣
3 players fold, Hero raises to €0.25, 1 fold, BB 3-bets to €1, Hero calls €0.75

Flop: (€2.05) 5♦ J♠ K♥ (2 players)
BB bets €0.70, Hero calls €0.70

Turn: (€3.45) 8♦ (2 players)
BB bets €2.50, Hero calls €2.50

River: (€8.45) 5♠ (2 players)
BB bets €6.49 (all-in)

Hero ???

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09-20-2018 , 03:34 PM

Pkr365

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Fold

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09-20-2018 , 03:34 PM

Ojune

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call

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09-20-2018 , 03:42 PM

Tuma

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i dont think we're good enough but at top of range... fold seems insane but i don't think villain has enough bluffs.... AA/AK/KK/KJ/JJ = 25 combos iirc, so villain needs to have ~10 bluffs. QTs and AdQd are the only 5 you can count on. Fold.

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09-20-2018 , 04:00 PM

ChipsNcrisps

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doesnt matter what u do here, try to look for timing tells. I tend to call not holding diamond but expect to lose a **** ton.

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09-20-2018 , 05:32 PM

ArtyMcFly

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This is kind of the archetypal "breakeven bluff-catcher" spot for solvers/GTO bots, where your decision can be made by flipping a coin. Villain shouldn't ever v-bet with worse, so whether you break-even or not depends on how unbalanced villain is. If he gives up with most of his Broadway draws and diamond-diamond combos, then you're just getting owned by AK+. If he's on the more aggro/bluffy side, then you make a little bit of money by calling.
Readless, I sigh-fold.

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09-20-2018 , 06:33 PM

JohnRusty

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

What solver would you recommend? Kind of balking at paying $1.1k for PioSOLVER edge, would you recommend CardRunnersEV?

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09-20-2018 , 06:40 PM

Pkr365

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You can't pay 1k when at 10nl

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09-20-2018 , 07:44 PM

WorldzMine

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I'm glad others seem to also think this is a breakeven spot too. Flip a "coin" and go with it.

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09-20-2018 , 07:47 PM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by JohnRusty

What solver would you recommend? Kind of balking at paying $1.1k for PioSOLVER edge, would you recommend CardRunnersEV?

GTO+ is much cheaper and does about the same stuff. I think people go with PIO mostly because it's a "brand name" now; something like Nike over New Balance, or Pizza Hut over some local pizza joint.

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09-21-2018 , 04:09 AM

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Pkr365

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

GTO+ is much cheaper and does about the same stuff. I think people go with PIO mostly because it's a "brand name" now; something like Nike over New Balance, or Pizza Hut over some local pizza joint.

Ha indeed. Don't want to get something as expensive or classy as pizza hut

;-). Good point though. I for one at micros think pio solver is way ott given the population that you play against. Good old flopzilla first before some fancy solver

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09-21-2018 , 04:18 AM

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ChipsNcrisps

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can easily node lock using pio and it usually helps figurin out a lot of stuff

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09-21-2018 , 04:44 AM

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Bultras1912

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I call this one off for one single reason - his 1/3 flop cbet. If he had a made hand like AK/AA/JJ/KK etc he would bet more to protect from all the gutters and open enders you have in your range.

i call and expect to sometimes lose vs the above hands but besides the casual AQ/QT which we block i expect AJ/TJ and all Ace rack of diamonds that missed

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09-21-2018 , 04:50 AM

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ChipsNcrisps

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Originally Posted by Bultras1912

I call this one off for one single reason - his 1/3 flop cbet. If he had a made hand like AK/AA/JJ/KK etc he would bet more to protect from all the gutters and open enders you have in your range.

This just isnt true. regs cbet small here with their range to represent the range advantage that they have, not because they have a weak hand...

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09-21-2018 , 05:34 AM

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Pkr365

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You could debate this forever but I agree with chips

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09-21-2018 , 05:56 AM

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ionutd

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I call because I find his turn bet size interesting and want to make a note on what bets the turn that big, cause I don't expect him to be using the same sizing with both value and draws

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09-21-2018 , 06:13 AM

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TheGodson

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Close spot here. I think I'm calling though. People can take this line with AQ, AT, QT, busted flush draws and all other sorts of ****.

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09-21-2018 , 09:25 AM

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ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by JohnRusty

What solver would you recommend? Kind of balking at paying $1.1k for PioSOLVER edge, would you recommend CardRunnersEV?

Pio is way out of my price range!
I had a Snowie subscription for 2 or 3 years and learned a lot from that, but now I'm only playing recreationally and don't have the time or inclination to do much studying. If GTO+ is still available for less than $100, and you are aiming to move up from 10NL, I'd recommend going with that. I was very impressed with it when I tried the beta version.

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09-21-2018 , 04:01 PM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by ionutd

I call because I find his turn bet size interesting and want to make a note on what bets the turn that big, cause I don't expect him to be using the same sizing with both value and draws

Why not? It would be weirder if he didn't use the same size for both on the turn.

Obv flop sizing is just a standard range bet sizing used with both air and strong hands alike.

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09-21-2018 , 06:14 PM

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ionutd

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

Why not? It would be weirder if he didn't use the same size for both on the turn.

how would it be weirder? it's 10nl

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