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Old 03-19-2018, 01:45 PM   #1
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10NL need help with the math here

Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 66.1 BB (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 9.24, 3Bet Preflop: 5.32, Hands: 1,080)
BTN: 113.1 BB (VPIP: 28.96, PFR: 20.49, 3Bet Preflop: 5.03, Hands: 1,337)
SB: 88.4 BB (VPIP: 31.15, PFR: 20.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 125)
Hero (BB): 153.2 BB
UTG: 34 BB (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 1.76, 3Bet Preflop: 1.49, Hands: 176)
MP: 33.3 BB (VPIP: 76.92, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, BTN raises to 7 BB, SB calls 6.5 BB, Hero raises to 21.9 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 14.9 BB

Flop: (52.8 BB, 2 players) J K 6
SB checks, Hero bets 131.3 BB and is all-in

I made the shove based on instinct, because there was already so much money in the pot, and I felt I had fold eq on that board. But maybe it was spewy. I'd like to know the math here so I could say for certain.
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Old 03-19-2018, 02:21 PM   #2
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Re: 10NL need help with the math here

the math said check
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:43 PM   #3
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Re: 10NL need help with the math here

oh no

what is going on

I probably just flat PF too.
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:51 PM   #4
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Re: 10NL need help with the math here

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the math said check
I get it. This post looks like something a bad player who thinks they’re good would say, by using terms like math when the answer is obvious. But I’ve never said I think I’m a good player. I honestly just want to know how one could use math here. There was no other intention behind this post.
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:51 PM   #5
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Re: 10NL need help with the math here

Well that's an icky mess. Agree with James id flat pre and as played agree with Ojune
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Old 03-19-2018, 04:44 PM   #6
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Re: 10NL need help with the math here

There is no easy math answer, it's about the ev of shoving vs checking. You're not folding out any better hands and are rarely getting called by worse. While the 1-1 spr is a good reason to bet, it's not good enough.
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Old 03-19-2018, 08:19 PM   #7
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Re: 10NL need help with the math here

As a general rule of thumb, don’t use a ship line on that SPR.
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Old 03-19-2018, 09:18 PM   #8
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Re: 10NL need help with the math here

You'd be able to calculate the EV of a shove here (assuming you range villain correctly) because both players will be all in.

(fold frequency)(pot size) + (call frequency)[(your equity)(pot size + bet size) + (villain's equity)(- bet size)]

As was said, this doesn't really help you much here, since there are too many reasons why you should check.
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