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Is This Always A Snap Fold At The Micros Is This Always A Snap Fold At The Micros

09-22-2018 , 11:49 AM
iPoker - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 122 BB (VPIP: 12.43, PFR: 7.03, 3Bet Preflop: 4.48, Hands: 191)
UTG: 117.75 BB (VPIP: 26.06, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.68, Hands: 165)
MP: 79.25 BB (VPIP: 19.38, PFR: 14.61, 3Bet Preflop: 7.43, Hands: 491)
Hero (CO): 120.75 BB
BTN: 147 BB (VPIP: 36.54, PFR: 24.92, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 309)
SB: 127.5 BB (VPIP: 26.72, PFR: 16.38, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 119)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 18 BB, BTN raises to 147 BB, Hero calls 102.75 BB

Flop: (243 BB, 2 players) 5 A K

Turn: (243 BB, 2 players) K

River: (243 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero mucks Q Q (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 18%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%)
BTN shows A A (Full House, Aces full of Kings)
(Pre 82%, Flop 95%, Turn 100%)
BTN wins 230.5 BB


Having been back to it for a little while it seems this is virtually never AA, KK & MAYBE AK
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09-22-2018 , 11:53 AM
3% 3B stat, seems like you’re flipping at best.

I’m still never folding here tho


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09-22-2018 , 11:55 AM
4b some vs some just not that particular individual..
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09-22-2018 , 01:08 PM
I 4-bet and stack off without looking at the HUD, and I see AK a lot in this spot.

FWIW, I hate villain's sizing. He's deep enough to get 7 bets in there. Ripping it in as a 5-bet actually means hero can get away from AKo and JJ/TT or any of his 4-bet bluffs. Don't fold queens though.
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09-22-2018 , 02:27 PM
I meant virtually always AA,KK, maybe AK. My feeling has been stack it off preflop without thinking too much but it seems most of the time anyone at the micros 4bet/5bet shoves it's AA or KK but I'm probably just remembering the beats and am sure I have seen AK and worse a lot here too

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09-22-2018 , 11:26 PM
This is really bad man, use your HUD. A 3% 3b after 300 hands indicates a strong range.
You should 4b bigger when OOP. I generally do ~70% of pot. Don't 4b vs this particular opponent though
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09-23-2018 , 12:32 AM
Against QQ+/AK we're losing < 1bb on average here if we add in rake.
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09-23-2018 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Nothing Ventured
3% 3B stat, seems like you’re flipping at best.

I’m still never folding here tho


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+1
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09-23-2018 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Against QQ+/AK we're losing < 1bb on average here if we add in rake.
Did you mean >1bb? < 1bb would mean we lose less than 1bb.
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09-23-2018 , 12:54 PM
< 1bb

If it was >, I'd have put the amount since it is pertinent info
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09-23-2018 , 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by .isolated
< 1bb

If it was >, I'd have put the amount since it is pertinent info
How did you calculate that? When I did it I got -5bb without rake

Last edited by Renekton; 09-23-2018 at 01:11 PM.
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09-23-2018 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Renekton
How did you calculate that? When I did it I got -5bb
My math was wrong. It's actually much worse than I thought at first. I messed up because I thought we covered villain

Without rake:
(140.25*.4) - (102.75*.6)
56.1 - 61.65 = -5.55

With rake:
(127.75*.4) - (102.75*.6)
51.1 - 61.65 = -10.55
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09-23-2018 , 01:37 PM
Just fold -ur never good here when u min 4bet and get jammed for an extra +100bb


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09-23-2018 , 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by .isolated
With rake:
(127.75*.4) - (102.75*.6)
51.1 - 61.65 = -10.55
It's actually worse than that.
230*.95 = 218.5
218.5 - 102.75 = 115.75
(115.75*.4) - (102.75*.6) = ~ -15 bb

Rake is pretty gross lol

Oh nvm I'm ******ed total pot is 243 bb idk how I made that mistake

Last edited by Renekton; 09-23-2018 at 02:30 PM.
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09-24-2018 , 09:20 AM
Yeah, its a rake fold. Frisky villains such as myself might have AK and JJ often enough for a break-even call, but not the population.
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