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NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HJ ($23.82) [VPIP: 16.9% | PFR: 11.4% | AGG: 21.7% | 3-Bet: 3.6% | Hands: 1227]
CO ($10.10) [VPIP: 26.6% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 29.3% | 3-Bet: 6.6% | Hands: 392]
BTN ($15.74) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 22% | AGG: 38.7% | 3-Bet: 12.2% | Hands: 936]
SB ($13.44) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 17.6% | AGG: 40.5% | 3-Bet: 7.3% | Hands: 278]
HERO ($13.52) [VPIP: 28.3% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 30.9% | 3-Bet: 10.3% | Hands: 45051]
UTG ($10.38) [VPIP: 20.6% | PFR: 17.6% | AGG: 24.4% | 3-Bet: 7.1% | Hands: 140]

Dealt to Hero: T J

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.28, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.18

Hero SPR on Flop: [21.7 effective]
Flop ($0.61): 8 A 8
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $0.29 (Rem. Stack: 23.25), HERO Raises To $1 (Rem. Stack: 12.24), HJ Calls $0.71 (Rem. Stack: 22.54)

Turn ($2.61): 8 A 8 9
HERO Bets $3 (Rem. Stack: 9.24), HJ Calls $3 (Rem. Stack: 19.54)

River ($8.61): 8 A 8 9 4
HERO Bets $9.24 (allin)

JdTd is probably the best x/r candidate we have for the flop (better than JcTc or JhTh, because there's fewer BDNFDs to worry about). Maybe KdQd is better (I'll get to why). As long as you think V is capable of folding something like AJ or AT and you're taking this line with most of your 8's, well played IMO.

Notes on JT: AJ and AT should be the hands we're trying to make fold, and it kind of sucks to block them. Kind of why I think KdQd may be a better flop x/r candidate, I don't think AK or AQ folds often to this)

I think the whole hand was spew; you could easily be drawing dead. I think he rarely folds river on a blank.

what is the difference between AK and AJ here? I'm repping an 8 so they lose either way.

i have more 8s in my range then him though. def could be drawing dead but AA/88 and A8 don't always bet flop.

Yeah but I think V's will be less likely to fold AK vs. AT, if nothing else for psychological reasons. You're also probably more likely to have K8s than J8s

Isn't most of your continuing range just calling otf?

my Ax and pckt pairs just call but my bluffs and 8x XR for sure. Maybe I just call A8/88 im not sure really

I can think of a million other villains at 10nl to check raise bluff backdoors with than a 16/11 over a decent sample. Is he folding that river often enough? Probably not.

I think if we need to find bluffs then this is for sure one of them. However, I think V will just underdefend your flop xr therefore lacking clubs combinations by the river.

Interesting to think whether or not V raise his 8x at some point in the hand. Im pretty ok with the bluff altough it doesnt seem like a spot which pop overfold...

This Nit would fold any ace on your turn bet so i guess you are valuetowning yourself against a stronger range here. I call that spew

He might not know your range. There are players that could check/raise AQ. Even if you might not, he won't know for sure.

Players sometimes use the kicker as a randomizer to determine whether to call down or not, so AK will call down more often than AJ.

AJ also blocks your chances to be bluffing this river with a hand like JTs.

the river depends on how many aces he folds ott
but I can't see how you can possibly know that
which makes the turn bet questionable

In retrospect, I'd play it the same way you did but make the turn 1.5x and expect he's not folding any more on rivers

lets say we make these assumptions about villain when you take this line:
1- Villain always calls his Ax OTF
2- Villain always just call down with 8x or better (8-10 combos of 8x)
3- Villain doesn't play AA this way on the flop
4- Villain always call the turn with Ax of clubs (10), A9s (2) and sometimes AK (12)
5- Villain always fold the river without an 8
* the only 2 assumptions i'm not sure about are 2 and 4, but since one is helping us and the other isn't, we can assume they are real

When you think about all the things that this line accomplish, I think you played this hand close to perfection. You're turn bet was perfectly sized. A smaller bet would have made a river shove slightly too expensive and a bigger bet wouldn't have given you enough space to attack him. JTdd is the perfect hand to triple after you see the turn since you block some of 8x combos and you unblock some weaker hands that will call your turn bet + you have some equity against his continuing range. If you had 2 clubs, you would have to give up a blank river.

That's what I think. It doesn't strike me as a board that should feature much check-raising (unlike something like J77 or Q44). I don't think hero should be x-raising much if anything on A88r. If he's raising some 8x, then the T9s combos would be the best bluff-raises to balance them. The optimal size for a check-raise on this board is probably small as well, because when you have trips, you want villain to call down with his Ax.

The line as played might be fine, but I think he's over-bluffing, because it's only really 88 and 98s that can bomb the turn for fat value, and it might be better to go for the (rare) double-check raise with those.

Wow pretty mixed reviews. As far as developing a XR range or not on this board. I think it’s good, yeah villain can have AA but we have way more 8s. All of Villains Aces are put in an awful spot vs a XR, low suited Aces probably get folded out and the ones that continue have backdoor draws. Off suit high kicker Aces pretty much hate life. I mean put yourself in Villains shoes. There’s not many bluffs in my range and I’m piling money in against a hand that is either way ahead or way behind.

I’ll never get flush or flush here since the A is a . Also I’m giving up on some turns so it’s not like I’m barreling without equity. I’d continue on any 7,9,T,J,Q,K.

I’ll post results in a bit.

we dont need results

What about Axcc hands? Or A9 and AK

It's fine as long as your frequencies are right. My suspicion is that you are overbluffing this spot though.

How many 8s do you really have? In BBvHJ I'm only defending 88, A8s, 98s and 87s by default. (Sometimes T8s is in there too). 88 and A8s are almost always check-calling the flop, and I'm not sure I want to raise all 4 combos of 98s/87s.

Throw K8s in there for sure and maybe 86s. How many 8s does Hijack open with though? A8s/89s and maybe 87s, so I guess I only have a few more.

Using your range, you have max 8 combos that take this line for value. If you're doing this with every suited broadway hand that has a BDFD OTF and then barreling turn and river everytime you pick up equity OTT you are way overbluffing by the river. It's a good approach but you just need to know which hands you show up with in each spot and on every turn and river so that you can efficiently choose which are your best bluffs and not just fire with them all. You are trying to make him indifferent to calling. His EV is 0 no matter what he does if you get your frequencies right. If you overbluff he can overcall and profit massively.

Very bad assumption. I think most people would play AA *exactly* like this.

Also, I think it's usually not optimal to x/r an 8x on the flop, although you should do it sometimes so that you don't get owned when you do want to bluff here. Not optimal because the maisn purposes of OOP play is primarily to trap aggression and be as non-exploitable as possible, not to be aggressive.

Agree with this.

Check fold flop.. I'm not even folding PPs in the villains place.. there is no fold equity here by raising this hand..
And the worst part is that you don't even block the value range of the HJ..

KQ, QJ would be MUCH better to do it.. but strongly not recomended, because you simple doesn't have enough bluffs to balance here.. Any regular player should call the river with a pair of Aces.. and if he does fold the pair of aces.. it's actually bad for you and for your value range in general..

you don't have a check raise range here because you don't have bluffs.. if you do have.. you will be losing money in the long run..