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10NL dubious OOP 3bet bluff vs reg? 10NL dubious OOP 3bet bluff vs reg?

07-04-2020 , 01:19 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

CO: $10.34 (103.4 bb)
BTN: $12.04 (120.4 bb)
SB: $5.45 (54.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.15 (101.5 bb)

SB posts $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 7 9
fold, BTN raises to $0.25, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, BTN calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.05, 2 players) K A 3
Hero bets $0.69, BTN calls $0.69

Turn: ($3.43, 2 players) K
Hero bets $2.40, BTN calls $2.40

River: ($8.23, 2 players) 6
[color="red"]Hero ??

I've got 1.8k hands on villain who folds 56% vs resteal and 42% BTN RFI. The turn bluff I'm pretty sure is good but I think I might a bit too ambitious on the river. I'm pretty sure he will fold a decent amount of Ax on the river but even if he calls AQ only he will be fine in terms of mdf. I'm more curious about how you handle board pairing turns in general as the aggressor in particular interested to know how would you play the turn with a hand like AJ or lower Ax here.
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07-04-2020 , 01:40 PM
In general, I believe that the 2nd card pairing on the turn favors the callers range.

But that might be for SRP. Maybe it's different in 3BP.
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07-04-2020 , 10:23 PM
Dubious indeed

Pre seems really marginal

Flop is fine AP

Turn is an awful card for us. Checked in on an old BB vs. BU 3BP solve, and BB range bets flop, then range checks a Qx turn. I think the same principle applies: gotta range x turn

AP, river you need better blockers. Broadway cards are good, because they block AQ/AJ/AT/KQ/KJ/KT

In general, board pairs for either of the bottom two cards are really bad for the aggressor, who should do a ton of checking. It's especially true when it's a broadway card. AKxK, AQxQ, KTxT, etc. In this example, it's because your BB 3b range has a lot of suited aces, but probably not many suited K's outside the broadways, and villain's calling range is going to be narrowed a bit such that Kx are going to be a much larger proportion of their range

Last edited by JohnRusty; 07-04-2020 at 10:34 PM.
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07-05-2020 , 05:30 AM
barrel the turn with trips, gutters and fds

bluff river with the missed gutters because of blockers
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07-05-2020 , 09:54 AM
Pre is fine

Flop is standard range bet

Turn is a worse card for OOP, so we check it very often but definitely should have a betting range. I like this combo because it unblocks villains gutshots that called the flop and we have decent equity. We range bet flop so we have plenty of Kx in our range going to the turn.

And agree with 2019fish2019 about river barrel. Really want to have a J or Q in our hand when we triple, and I think the missed gutters should balance this quite well, especially if we give up the ones that have a diamond.
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07-05-2020 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnRusty
Dubious indeed

Turn is an awful card for us. Checked in on an old BB vs. BU 3BP solve, and BB range bets flop, then range checks a Qx turn. I think the same principle applies: gotta range x turn
To be clear, the old BB vs. BU 3bp solve was on an AQ4r flop. And the solver literally checks 100% of range on Qx turn, which is not something you see that often.
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07-05-2020 , 11:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnRusty
Pre seems really marginal
Preflop debates are generally a waste of time, but OP's play is reasonable against a tough villain. Chief arguments against it are that 10NL is a high-rake environment, and most 10NL players are duffers against whom playing close to GTO has a significant opportunity cost.

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Originally Posted by drifterino
I've got 1.8k hands on villain who folds 56% vs resteal and 42% BTN RFI.
What's their fold-to-cbet percentage IP in 3-bet pots? (Of course, 1800 hands is likely not enough to give a solid number for this.)
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