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10NL do we overcall here? 10NL do we overcall here?

05-24-2019 , 05:59 PM
PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): 130.6 BB
CO: 129.8 BB (VPIP: 20.91, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 112)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.14, PFR: 18.29, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 250)
SB: 106.8 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 218.9 BB (VPIP: 47.70, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 3.80, Hands: 407)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 T

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, Hero?
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05-24-2019 , 06:02 PM
yes, you're ip and a bit deeper with a fish
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05-24-2019 , 06:32 PM
Yeah I'd call
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05-24-2019 , 09:58 PM
Another user posted this earlier. Great tool. After you gain more experience you can begin to deviate from their suggested ranges.

https://www.pokersnowie.com/pftapp/index.html

(Green is raise, yellow is call, if it is yellow with a number inside you call or raise suggested percent, if it is white with number fold/raise)
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05-25-2019 , 04:31 AM
snowie would have bb cold call very tight
fish is much wider and we want to go out of our way to play with fish for the sweet implied odds
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05-25-2019 , 05:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ACR_Bovada
Another user posted this earlier. Great tool. After you gain more experience you can begin to deviate from their suggested ranges.

https://www.pokersnowie.com/pftapp/index.html

(Green is raise, yellow is call, if it is yellow with a number inside you call or raise suggested percent, if it is white with number fold/raise)

Yes I am using Pokersnowie, great tool but this is 3 way situation I dont think same ranges apply as show in snowie for "Facing a 3b after a raise".


@ionutd If we were just 100b effective is it still a call?
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05-25-2019 , 05:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puma1
Yes I am using Pokersnowie, great tool but this is 3 way situation I dont think same ranges apply as show in snowie for "Facing a 3b after a raise".


@ionutd If we were just 100b effective is it still a call?
yes and it becomes less and less profitable as stacks get shallower
idk the break even number but say 70-80x
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05-25-2019 , 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puma1
Yes I am using Pokersnowie, great tool but this is 3 way situation I dont think same ranges apply as show in snowie for "Facing a 3b after a raise".


@ionutd If we were just 100b effective is it still a call?
Yes, it only does head to head play. In the preflop tool this is a call, but when plugging the actual scenario into the Snowie Software (SB vs UTG1 open) it's a fold. The preflop tool can only analyze 6 players, but I don't see why that would make a difference. None of this really applies to this scenario because of this fish, but found it interesting.

I have a question more GTO based, as I agree with ionutd we want to go out of our way to playing hands with fish.

I was always under the impression if we have an overcaller in this spot, it would make it an even easier call. However, when I plug scenarios into Pokersnowie, it says to basically fold everything and 4bet QQ+ and AKs.

I try to use Snowie as a general guideline, but this is a pretty big difference when a third player becomes involved:
3 players = 4bet with top 1.66 percent of range
2 players = vs calling/raising (mostly calling) 7.6% of our range.

Are we really folding pretty much everything because of the third player? Is this because the SPR will be lower when playing post flop? (Also, because in perfect poker both players are going to be at or near the top of their range?)

Last edited by ACR_Bovada; 05-25-2019 at 03:29 PM.
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05-25-2019 , 11:31 PM
My immediate thoughts on seeing the hand were different to what others have commented. We are almost nut bottom of our UTG open range and will never overflush the 3better. I would prefer to have a more reliable flush vs the fish too because again I don't think the fish calls weaker suited cards all that often. So I would fold
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