V raises Cbet otf 22/220 times, 7/73 times in 3bp. On this table V is playing 31/26 over 114 hands so he's been active and aggressive and enjoys xr in 3bps. Ft3b after raising in the CO is 29/58, 84/199 overall.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 372.2 BB (VPIP: 26.66, PFR: 20.53, 3Bet Preflop: 9.74, Hands: 6,045)
Hero (BTN): 204.9 BB
SB: 114.4 BB (VPIP: 23.41, PFR: 18.49, 3Bet Preflop: 6.53, Hands: 4,203)
BB: 40 BB (VPIP: 30.69, PFR: 27.72, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 101)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Two Cards

CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 9 5 2
CO checks, Hero bets 7 BB, CO raises to 17 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (53.5 BB, 2 players) T
CO bets 38 BB, Hero calls 38 BB

River: (129.5 BB, 2 players) 9
CO bets 308.2 BB and is all-in

What's my defense range otr?

9x-Ats-TJh-jj-qq-kk-aa ?

I think you need to provide your BTN vs CO 3bet range.

Edit: On the 9 we are going to have to defend a lot more, V's flop x/r mostly reps 99. You should 3bet larger at this stack depth.

Yes, those are some of the more obvious hands i would get to the river this way. I think I only have 2 combos of ATs ott, FWIW.

If my range assessment for V is correct, depending on my holdings, I think it looks something like {99, 55(3), A9s(2), QQ+, 87s, QJs(2), KhQh, A3s, A4s} I don't know if he plays TT or JJ this way, maybe combos without hearts he would since we're this deep. I think he may give up missed NFD's otr and I'm not sure if he's doing this with a hand like A5s or A2s, but, I suspect these might either fold or 4b pre, OOP.

Any other takers?

Edit: @ simple, My 3b range here is 88+,A2s+,67s-98s, T8s-K8s, J9s(sometimes)-K9s, other suited broadways. If I 3b that wide, should I really go bigger?

Something like {99,AdAs,AdAc,AsAc,KdKs,KdKc,KsKc,QdQs,QdQc,QsQc,J dJs,JdJc,JsJc,A9s,K9s,Q9s}. Maybe all combos of KK.

A lot of your 3bet range prefers to not see a flop. At this stack depth I'd probably take some of those combos and make them calls vs raises pre.

I'd guess KK+ and better hands
You know you have to fold with something right? And not just flush draws.

I think what simple said is pretty solid. You may have some non heart 1010 combos by the river and you can maybe fold all of your JJ combos if he may do this with QQ.


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I think I fold JJ reluctantly, heart or not, otr. A5s would make a better hand to call than JJ.

@ THAFOST I have all 3 TT combos. I doubt I am folding any pair to a flop raise to someone this aggressive.

SO is the consensus that QQ no heart is the bottom? You aren't gonna believe what I tanked with, lol.

Yea I forget what my exact thought was but you’d be raising most, if not all, of your 1010 on the turn so they wouldn’t be in your range as played


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I don't think I'm ever raising turn.

Don't tell me you tanked with KQ.

Lol no, I could beat K high, 8 high, A3 and A4. Probably the worst hand I could possibly bluff catch with, AhJh. With 8 seconds left I decided calling, right or wrong in that instance, would just be too awful. I've never made an lol, f it, 150BB river hero call with A high before. One of those hands you feel like a genius when he rolls over 87 or a total idiot when he does it with 56 or A5 or actually has 99.

AhJh would be a terrible bluff catcher since we block the hearts we want him to have.

That's what I said. .

Yeah, I misread your post.

what a station

guess it's true we should never bluff at the micros

I folded tho, or are you being facetious?

nah I thought you called. Still a station for considering calling though

Well it could be a good read. Some people will never go for value this big and over bluff.

The best players to hero call are the ones that don't go for value thin enough and barrel too much on scare cards.

For example, perhaps this player only shoves here with 99. Let us further say that this player gets the inspiration from the missed str8 flush draw and only ships that as a bluff. We beat 3 combos and lose to 1. That would make it a call.

You want to be pretty certain about your read though, because it could get costly if you're wrong and in this spot is highly exploitable. People will berate you like crazy. Call you stupid and all sorts of other things, but at the end of the day it is your money and you can do whatever you want with it.

That being said, from here it looks like he likely has a house.

no they do overbet for value, as a matter of fact they usually are imbalanced towards value because they don't understand how the size of the bet affects the value to bluff ration

also the river is hardly an overbet

Ooops, I now see that CO has us covered and it isn't as big of a river bet as I initially thought.

I wasn't saying that I think it is a good call either, I was just giving a hypothetical situation where it could be a good call if you know your opponent very well.


When you make a hero call, seeing the absolute nuts doesn't guarantee that your hero call was bad (although it still could be), but when you see a thin value hand then you know you've probably made a mistake. Sometimes I get into spots where my opponent can only have 1 value combo and it can be really difficult to fold sometimes.

Exactly, the fact he's repping one value combo is why I tanked. Eventually, being this deep, I came to the conclusion he can likely have 55 and KK/QQ that might play this way. Maybe even AA. The more value combos I found possible, the less attractive bluff catching became. He's going to need to be creative with hands other than 87s for me to make this call even close. Maybe he does this with QdJd or KdJd or he defended pre with a hand like Qh8h.

Much of the above was what ran through my head in game and I just wasn't confident enough V has enough bluffs to justify calling off 150BB otr with A high.

FWIW there are spots I've overbet bluffed and for value, neither of which get called very often, at least not in recent memory. It did happen twice at the same table I got picked off within 3 orbits, but, that was weeks ago.

You have a pretty merged cbet range. I can see doing that at 2nl and maybe 5nl, but not so much at 10nl.

I think your Axs 3bet range should look more like A2s - A5s, ATs-AKs.

By cbet you mean 3bet, correct?

I'm open to criticism. What do you suggest doing with the rest?