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10NL BTN vs SB Good bluff or nah? 10NL BTN vs SB Good bluff or nah?

07-16-2018 , 08:36 PM
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NL Holdem $0.1(BB)
HERO ($11.01) [VPIP: 32.4% | PFR: 25.5% | AGG: 33.2% | 3-Bet: 11.3% | Hands: 5848]
SB ($7.9) [VPIP: 12.2% | PFR: 1.1% | AGG: 23.8% | 3-Bet: 2.2% | Hands: 91]
BB ($5.55) [VPIP: 28.3% | PFR: 14.1% | AGG: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 3.3% | Hands: 95]
HJ ($14.36) [VPIP: 18% | PFR: 15.1% | AGG: 26.2% | 3-Bet: 7.9% | Hands: 286]
CO ($9.32) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 21.9% | AGG: 40.9% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 100]

Dealt to Hero: K 5

HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.25, SB Calls $0.20, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [12.75 effective]
Flop ($0.60): 6 J A
SB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($0.60): 6 J A T
SB Bets $0.25 (Rem. Stack: 7.40), HERO Raises To $0.88 (Rem. Stack: 9.88), SB Calls $0.63 (Rem. Stack: 6.77)

River ($2.36): 6 J A T 8
SB Checks, HERO Bets $3.33
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07-16-2018 , 10:12 PM
It would be better if you unblocked diamonds I think. Bet flop
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07-16-2018 , 10:24 PM
1- dude, at 10NL you might wanna rethink your pre flop strat!
32/25 is looooose for the rake your paying!
2- bet flop, polorized (60% ps+)
This is small blind, not Big blind. That changes a lot. He doesn't have A2o-A9o here
He doesn't have junky Jx
And he is a nit-fish
A little peace of advice, don't tey to make people fold top pair in micro stakes :-) costed me heeeps of money!
Specially when it's the A and some draws missed and you didn't barrel flop which capped you massively.
I don't like the bluff at all
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07-16-2018 , 11:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohsen
1- dude, at 10NL you might wanna rethink your pre flop strat!
32/25 is looooose for the rake your paying!
2- bet flop, polorized (60% ps+)
This is small blind, not Big blind. That changes a lot. He doesn't have A2o-A9o here
He doesn't have junky Jx
And he is a nit-fish
A little peace of advice, don't tey to make people fold top pair in micro stakes :-) costed me heeeps of money!
Specially when it's the A and some draws missed and you didn't barrel flop which capped you massively.
I don't like the bluff at all
Thanks for the advice. Am I that capped though? I can still have TT and KQo.

I agree i think betting flop is better than checking in retrospect. Also I'm not 33/25 6max since I play a lot of short handed as well so it's all jumbled in there.
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07-17-2018 , 12:25 AM
Opposite of how you should play this hand, bet the flop
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07-17-2018 , 07:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Thanks for the advice. Am I that capped though? I can still have TT and KQo.

I agree i think betting flop is better than checking in retrospect. Also I'm not 33/25 6max since I play a lot of short handed as well so it's all jumbled in there.
TT you have (3combos) I give you that
But 16 combos of KQ.. I don't think so... Why not bet those on the flop? Kinda the best bluffing hand(that doesn't beed to turn SDV into a bluff from the flop)
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07-17-2018 , 08:02 AM
Bet flop is a must, as it would be for KQo. You are repping TT and maybe AA which is very thin indeed.
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07-17-2018 , 08:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rikk
Bet flop is a must, as it would be for KQo. You are repping TT and maybe AA which is very thin indeed.
Is this a hand you would consider barrelling?
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07-17-2018 , 08:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Is this a hand you would consider barrelling?
On pretty much any card except maybe a K. As a general rule (i know general rules are terrible in poker), FDs are good for flop and turn bluffs but not so good for river bluffs because we block our opponent's folding range.

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07-17-2018 , 09:18 AM
Against reasonable and narrow SB calling range you should be checking flop a lot. That includes many KQ hands. This guy is very likely calling too much on SB, but his low 3betting will strengthen that range in right direction for him, that will still force you to not bet too much on this flop. You should be betting worse Kx FDs here and check the best ones. When you can have KQ on this turn and even some AT and his probe is on the smaller size, I don't have problem with raising size, neither with river overbet. The biggest issue here is type of player and the stakes.
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07-17-2018 , 09:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rikk
On pretty much any card except maybe a K. As a general rule (i know general rules are terrible in poker), FDs are good for flop and turn bluffs but not so good for river bluffs because we block our opponent's folding range.

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oooo i like that rule haha. thanks for the advice
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07-17-2018 , 09:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brigate
Against reasonable and narrow SB calling range you should be checking flop a lot. That includes many KQ hands. This guy is very likely calling too much on SB, but his low 3betting will strengthen that range in right direction for him, that will still force you to not bet too much on this flop. You should be betting worse Kx FDs here and check the best ones. When you can have KQ on this turn and even some AT and his probe is on the smaller size, I don't have problem with raising size, neither with river overbet. The biggest issue here is type of player and the stakes.
Nice Analysis. Here are the results

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NL Holdem $0.1(BB)
HERO ($11.01) [VPIP: 32.3% | PFR: 25.4% | AGG: 33.2% | 3-Bet: 11.2% | Hands: 5877]
SB ($7.9) [VPIP: 12.2% | PFR: 1.1% | AGG: 23.8% | 3-Bet: 2.2% | Hands: 91]
BB ($5.55) [VPIP: 28.3% | PFR: 14.1% | AGG: 29.2% | 3-Bet: 3.3% | Hands: 95]
HJ ($14.36) [VPIP: 18% | PFR: 15.1% | AGG: 26.2% | 3-Bet: 7.9% | Hands: 286]
CO ($9.32) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 21.9% | AGG: 40.9% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 100]

Dealt to Hero: K 5

HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.25, SB Calls $0.20, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [12.75 effective]
Flop ($0.60): 6 J A
SB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($0.60): 6 J A T
SB Bets $0.25 (Rem. Stack: 7.40), HERO Raises To $0.88 (Rem. Stack: 9.88), SB Calls $0.63 (Rem. Stack: 6.77)

River ($2.36): 6 J A T 8
SB Checks, HERO Bets $3.33 (Rem. Stack: 6.55), SB Calls $3.33 (Rem. Stack: 3.44)

Spoiler:

SB shows: J K

SB wins: $8.52
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07-17-2018 , 02:24 PM
The turn raise seems spewy. I prefer betting 0.30-0.35 on the flop and if needs be checking the turn although i don't hate the raise as we have approx 25% chance of hitting the river if called.

We are overplaying/overthinking this hand especially on the river. No need to take this line at 10nl as we aren't winning enough times to make this play profitable. It's likely villain has Jx, 10x or A with a small kicker. He's never folding the A and is probably calling Jx enough times to make this play -EV.
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