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01-17-2018 , 03:16 PM

SlavaGZ

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Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 411

is ok call this hand vs 4x in nl10?
shoul i fold flop vs any guy?
turn is a fold vs all if isn't a crazy?
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $11.64 (116.4 bb)
BB: $4.17 (41.7 bb)
CO: $7.75 (77.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10.39 (103.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7

CO folds, Hero raises to $0.21, SB raises to $0.62, BB folds, Hero calls $0.41

Flop: ($1.34) 5

(2 players)
SB bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.94) 7

(2 players)
SB bets $1.60

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01-17-2018 , 03:41 PM

Ojune

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Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 5,171

Flop is a call and so is the turn, 100% of the time. On the river, you have a decision.

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01-17-2018 , 05:53 PM

JamesBJames

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PF's really thin IMO but I don't think it's bad in position.

I'm calling turn and deciding on river.

If you're thinking abut folding one of the better flops you can get and then one of the better turns you can get, maybe just fold PF because it's a low EV / high variance spot anyway.

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01-18-2018 , 02:59 AM

2blackaces

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Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 212

I think I'm folding to the 3bet preflop here.

AP I would call flop, turn is close but I think having 4 nut outs is enough to call. I'm folding to a river bet though unless we boat up.

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01-18-2018 , 06:10 PM

BackdoorQuadsDraw

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Fold pre man

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01-18-2018 , 06:13 PM

Ojune

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Assuming hero is raising a reasonable range otb (45-50%) 75s is a std call especially considering hero minraised and villain 3x'd.

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01-18-2018 , 06:20 PM

BackdoorQuadsDraw

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Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 404

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Originally Posted by Ojune

Assuming hero is raising a reasonable range otb (45-50%) 75s is a std call especially considering hero minraised and villain 3x'd.

You're defending way too wide and are pretty exploitable if this is 'standard' for you. Most guys don't adjust their 3 betting range based on the opening size they face. This is an easy fold

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01-18-2018 , 06:26 PM

Ojune

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Well you're entitled to your opinion. Let me just point out that it doesn't matter if most guys don't adjust their 3 betting range to the pf raise size, fact is we also have better odds because of hero's raise size and villain's poor 3bet sizing.

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01-18-2018 , 06:34 PM

Feng Shui

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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 595

Fold pre for me even with the 3bet being smaller.

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01-18-2018 , 06:39 PM

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BackdoorQuadsDraw

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Originally Posted by Ojune

Ya, I just wonder where yours comes from because I disagree with almost everything you say, thinking that we should call because of the small open is pretty questionable thinking and not something I'd expect a winning reg to say. As it happens, I beat NL100 for a solid clip, consistently, on the hardest site. The guy that coached me gave me his standard opening ranges a while ago and this is a firm fold....that dude's a NL500 crusher and that's why I consider this to be a fold.

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01-18-2018 , 07:27 PM

#11

Ojune

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Do I really have to explain that as the spr goes up, 75s goes up in value?

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01-18-2018 , 08:04 PM

#12

Haizemberg93

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Pre is probably closer to fold.
Turn is whatever,close to 0EV either way.

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01-19-2018 , 01:57 AM

#13

BackdoorQuadsDraw

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Originally Posted by Ojune

Do I really have to explain that as the spr goes up, 75s goes up in value?

Lol, using the concept of spr to differentiate between a 2bb and 3bb open is such a misapplication of a concept dude. The fact is the value of 75s doesn't go up nearly enough, it's still a fairly obvious fold.

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01-19-2018 , 06:36 AM

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ALongmuir

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Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 1,072

Vs this sizing 75s is likely to be the bottom of your calling range, it is marginal however, and because you're at 10NL you're probably going to find it difficult to make it profitable call.

Easy call flop and turn, probably a good hand to call rivers with also.

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01-19-2018 , 08:42 AM

#15

Ojune

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Originally Posted by BackdoorQuadsDraw

The fact is the value of 75s doesn't go up nearly enough, it's still a fairly obvious fold.

"I say so, so it must be true"

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01-19-2018 , 05:10 PM

#16

DonkFace77

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 35

I love getting in cheap with 75s in a mutli way pot...

Here this is an easy fold pre

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01-20-2018 , 06:11 AM

#17

ItsMyShow

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Originally Posted by BackdoorQuadsDraw

You are extremely defensive. Chill man we are all wrong now and again.

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01-20-2018 , 06:20 AM

#18

BackdoorQuadsDraw

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Originally Posted by ItsMyShow

You are extremely defensive. Chill man we are all wrong now and again.

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Originally Posted by Ojune

"I say so, so it must be true"

OK, "In my opinion, which is formed on millions of hands winning at NL100 and from taking the advice of people way, way better than anyone in this forum." Little bit longer but hopefully clears it up for you.

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01-20-2018 , 06:59 AM

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ItsMyShow

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Originally Posted by BackdoorQuadsDraw

Lol - I think just because I have a direct writing style you guys misconstrue some of my posts. Some of the concepts are obvious as well and you get plenty of people who know no better giving bad advice, so sometimes things just need to be said plainly. Such as; this is a bad call pre and telling someone otherwise means you are giving bad advice. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, it's just poker at the end of the day.

OK, "In my opinion, which is formed on millions of hands winning at NL100 and from taking the advice of people way, way better than anyone in this forum." Little bit longer but hopefully clears it up for you.

Ha all is cool. You're clearly passionate about the game which is only a positive!! Keep on posting my friend

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01-20-2018 , 08:07 AM

#20

paskito

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Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 9

Pre is fine either way. At 10nl players tend to have tighter 3-bet ranges and higher rake but at the same time we're getting a good price. Also players are terrible post-flop which means hands that would be -EV if villain played optimally, can be played profitably if you know what you're doing. For those who think this is a clear fold, I recommend to run Pio sims. You can solve SB vs BTN situations once BB has folded.

Flop and turn are calls.

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