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100z river spot vs fish AQ TPTK 100z river spot vs fish AQ TPTK

01-15-2019 , 05:02 PM
Super simple spot. Bet or check/call?
Check/calling hasn't worked well for me in zoom. I just keep running into trips in these spots. Therefore I have preferred to just vbet myself, especially when draws miss, I can expect even every hand to bluff catch here.
Card removal wise, we have the same amount of Jx and Qx, unless villain 3-bets AQ pre or raises it on the flop. Villain could have like 99-TT if he puts me on a draw. Think it's 50/50 spot, don't know which option to take.


PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $204.13 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 53)
SB: $113.94 (VPIP: 27.47, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 93)
BB: $254.84 (VPIP: 20.34, PFR: 16.10, 3Bet Preflop: 10.31, Hands: 238)
UTG: $423.05 (VPIP: 18.57, PFR: 15.43, 3Bet Preflop: 5.60, Hands: 355)
MP: $132.02 (VPIP: 21.58, PFR: 17.70, 3Bet Preflop: 8.19, Hands: 704)
Hero (CO): $106.52

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, fold, fold

Flop: ($6.50, 2 players) Q 2 J
Hero bets $4.08, BTN calls $4.08

Turn: ($14.66, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $10.00, BTN calls $10.00

River: ($34.66, 2 players) J
Hero bets $22.00,
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01-15-2019 , 09:49 PM
that's a really bad river to bet
I think you're mostly checking this river anyway
so it's basically a x and defend the top of your range, you've got a decent amount of Jx,66,AA,QQ , maybe call the AdQx and fold the rest
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01-16-2019 , 04:20 AM
xf otr
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01-16-2019 , 04:31 AM
You don't have the same amount of Jx after the action. If I show up on river with a key diamond you're getting raised 10 times out of 10.
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01-16-2019 , 09:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishtankz
Bet or check/call?
Check-fold, isn't it?
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01-16-2019 , 09:33 AM
Check/call. Villain can still bet with worse top pairs and some missed draws [109] when we check. A third barrel seems pretty thin as the only worse hands we can expect to get called by are KQ and possibly Q10.
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01-16-2019 , 10:34 AM
I think this hand functions a lot better as a check call. Villain can possibly have 22/66 or flushes which makes betting this hand seem bad since it's not actually a 50/50 between Jx and Qx and then worse hands for villain like I think you're implying it is. This is a bad river for you so you want to be checking more in general.
Check fold seems very nitty. To the people advocating check folding this, are you only check-calling with like AA/KK and AdQx?
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01-16-2019 , 10:57 AM
Trying to understand why this river is that bad? I’d assume a lot of Jx is folding turn and BDFD to be a smaller part of range than Qx.


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01-16-2019 , 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nothing Ventured
Trying to understand why this river is that bad? I’d assume a lot of Jx is folding turn and BDFD to be a smaller part of range than Qx.


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Sometimes your opponent has a jack. It's also harder for villain to call a bet with worse Qx or bet those hands themselves if you check as theyr no longer beating any Jx hands in heroes range.
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01-16-2019 , 12:43 PM
Jx should never fold ott

Your river bet is way too big and a bet should only be employed as an exploit against passive players in the first place

x/f or x/c both seems reasonable, we unblock busted draws and block valuerange
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01-16-2019 , 01:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ojune
Jx should never fold ott

Your river bet is way too big and a bet should only be employed as an exploit against passive players in the first place

x/f or x/c both seems reasonable, we unblock busted draws and block valuerange


Well if no Jx is folding then neither Is any Qx? So 6 combos of Jxs vs 12-16 combos of Qx (depending if KQo calls pre - assuming QJ raises at turn or sooner)

Just trying to figure out if this is so bad for fear of Jx or flush. Assuming the Qx hands never bet but always call then isn’t there merit to bet


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01-16-2019 , 01:08 PM
You're wrong to assume villain always calls Qx, he's supposed to fold some of them or he's folding no bluffcatchers

And even if he was, Jx is a particularly bad card for us so we should check and let villain do the betting, that's how it works
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