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1/3 Live NL 9 Handed - Set vs large 3bet. 1/3 Live NL 9 Handed - Set vs large 3bet.

05-19-2018 , 12:18 PM
I'm just sitting down to the table (~15 mins in) - no info on villain 1 or 2.

Villain 1 limps EP, hero raises to 15 w/ 99 in MP, villain 2 on the button calls, Vil 1 calls as well.

Flop comes KJ9, two diamonds. Villain 1 checks, I lead out for 20, Villain 2 folds, Villain 1 calls.

Turn: 8c
Villain 1 checks, Hero bets 35, Villain raises to 150.

Villain has >1k stack, hero has 300 remaining when facing $115 raise.

Do you fold, flat, or jam the remaining 185 on top? Why?

Thanks!
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05-19-2018 , 07:00 PM
I think I gii now ott. There are some action killing cards that could drop otr. If he has you beat now then o well ... at least you got outs.
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05-19-2018 , 07:11 PM
Can probs go bigger pre because it's live. Flop and turn bets are tiny and bad.
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05-19-2018 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Can probs go bigger pre because it's live. Flop and turn bets are tiny and bad.
In terms of pre-flop raising, I disagree. Very dependent on the table. 20 is at the high end of preflop raises that consistently get action. 15 is the norm. 25 is quite uncommon and less likely to get any action.

In regards to bold, why so?
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05-19-2018 , 11:12 PM
As played call. You only lead when you are not the preflop raiser so you are just cbetting the flop. Flop sizing is fine, turn should be much bigger though
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05-20-2018 , 08:39 AM
Because you want to get value for your hand.

You make it 15 pre, two calls, plus blinds, so that's 49 in the pot on the flop. You think anyone in live poker is ever folding a king if you bet more? You think they're folding diamonds or QJ to a ~psb? I doubt it.

You want to get your whole stack over the line on good runouts.
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05-20-2018 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ctownballer03
In terms of pre-flop raising, I disagree. Very dependent on the table. 20 is at the high end of preflop raises that consistently get action. 15 is the norm. 25 is quite uncommon and less likely to get any action.

In regards to bold, why so?
You win money in poker by forcing opponents to make a mistake.

You bet 20 into 49 on the flop and 30 into 89 on the turn, or a combined 50 to win 99. If your bets are consistently small, his combined odds for the flop and turn calls are essentially 2:1, meaning he needs 33% equity to call you down.

The key to improving in poker is not to look at your hand vs. his hand, but your range vs. his range. There are many hands in his range on this board texture that are going to have more than 33% equity against your specific holding, and even more that will have more than 33% equity against your range. If you aren't causing him to make a mistake vs. your range in this spot, you aren't making money in the long run.

The only reason to bet small here is if you had a specific reason to believe it would induce a bluff-raise or semi-bluff raise as opposed to simply taking advantage of the pot odds your mini-bets were allowing. Because it's opponent-specific, I don't like doing it without some specific type of read, especially in a live 1-3 game, where the default read is that most villains are more likely to call to wide than to bluff to wide, especially vs. an unknown.
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05-26-2018 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by alazo1985
You win money in poker by forcing opponents to make a mistake.

You bet 20 into 49 on the flop and 30 into 89 on the turn, or a combined 50 to win 99. If your bets are consistently small, his combined odds for the flop and turn calls are essentially 2:1, meaning he needs 33% equity to call you down.

The key to improving in poker is not to look at your hand vs. his hand, but your range vs. his range. There are many hands in his range on this board texture that are going to have more than 33% equity against your specific holding, and even more that will have more than 33% equity against your range. If you aren't causing him to make a mistake vs. your range in this spot, you aren't making money in the long run.

The only reason to bet small here is if you had a specific reason to believe it would induce a bluff-raise or semi-bluff raise as opposed to simply taking advantage of the pot odds your mini-bets were allowing. Because it's opponent-specific, I don't like doing it without some specific type of read, especially in a live 1-3 game, where the default read is that most villains are more likely to call to wide than to bluff to wide, especially vs. an unknown.
Appreciate the detailed response. Thanks
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05-27-2018 , 02:14 PM
Flop sizing is too small. Against two players, including one with position, on a board like this we should be betting at least 3/4 pot and probably more like the whole pot.

As played, I just get it in after the turn k/r.
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