I don't necessarily agree with all of what Spurious is saying (I think purple dress shirts are fine for instance) but I understand his main point. When you're building a wardrobe initially you should be buying the most versatile items first (grey/blue/white etc). Stuff like purple shirts or green pants can work, but it's best to buy these things after your wardrobe is full of all the basics. I know I wasted a ton of $$ a few years ago on stuff I either don't wear or wear rarely. I wish I had stuck to the basics until I had gotten used to my own style and then branched out into less conservative stuff.

The basics are good, but they aren't going to impress anyone and are boring to wear by themselves. I'm never going to wear a white, light blue, navy (and I think navy is a pretty terrible shirt color, period) shirt by itself. You really need to wear it with a sportscoat, sweater, or at the very least, a tie. And I find many of my patterned shirts or shirts of different colors pair nicely with my sweaters/pullovers.

I think spurious' advice is good if you are mostly going trying to build a wardrobe around suits, and I know almost no one is trying to do that. Gingham and striped shirts are pretty safe bets regardless of the color. Just keep your pants basic at the start. You can pair pretty much any shirt with basic pants, but it's much harder to pair a shirt with colored pants.

While I agree the two are different I think people would be better served going for classic menswear than style.

I can agree with most of this but under my previous impression of optimal outfits would definitely be the same. Once you decide on a certain article of clothing like a jacket , the shirt color that goes best with it will pretty much always be the shirt that goes best with it, therefore optimal, so you would always choose it. Same for pants in relation to the shirt+jacket. That's what it read to me like you were arguing with the use of optimal.

It seems now you are instead looking at optimal from a money utility perspective in terms of building a wardrobe. If that's the case I agree but even going back your posts don't read like that at all.

Most people in here def do not wear casual classic menswear daily.

I would say the most popular outfit involves untucked shirts itt. Prob like button down+jeans/chino+Boot/shoe

Most discussion itt deals with the subject though

^ Custer is right, for us undergrads still on that 100 year plan, wearing a fkn suite to a 9am class is not practical. I'm not saying it doesn't look good either as that is what I plan on wearing once I graduate and land a good job. But it's too over the top for undergrad imo. Just get some good fitting chinos/jeans nice shoes and shirts/jackets and hoodies and you'll be fine

#getbig and get girls brahs

Also Wut I love Navy Blue color especially a navy blue v neck or sweater

Stretchy levis Jeans and t shirt for me, also vans shoes. I don't wear tight jeans either.

I was saying in terms of a button down, which is what spurious was talking about. I think it's a pretty bad button down color.

I have some very nice fitting white/light blue OCBDs from Uniqlo and J Crew that I wear with dark blue jeans or chinos that look great IMO (usually only wear just this during the warmer months). It is pretty basic but if everything fits well it's a great look. Obviously this is more casual and I go untucked mostly.

Agree that gingham and striped shirts are staples of a wardrobe and are what you should be buying after basic shirts.

Grey is really solid.

I own melted caramel and cambridge blue as well.

Grey is really solid.

I own melted caramel and cambridge blue as well.

http://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/pants/chino/PRDOVR~19488/19488.jsp

The color of cambridge blue is very, very nice.

Chino's at H&M fit really well.

http://www.hm.com/us/product/12738?a...rticle=12738-S

I never advocated navy as a shirt color, I dislike it as well.
Whenever I say buy, I am talking light blue.

Your previous impression was correct.

Doing some shopping, checking out florsheim. I pretty much have to buy this shoe right?:

http://www.florsheim.com/shop/style/50486-200.html

Hopefully they have it come 9-10 months from now. Not in need of a dress shoe in that color(although I do really like it). but with that name hard to say no lol.

Am probably picking up this shoe though:

http://www.florsheim.com/shop/style/14098-410.html

Also ordered the red Wings I asked for opinions on a few pages back(already got them ordered them a week ago). Really well made, feels good(for a new boot, will def feel better once its worn in). Slightly my orangey(fairly close to UT burnt orange) than I expected, but should look better once it gets wear/dirtied up.



Also picked up a few things from unqilo:

Tweed jacket in gray
In blue
color is called orange, but it looks red, hopefully it just looks like the pic. They have had weird color names before in something i ordered, looked like pic.

Picked up a few colorful socks, wont link because semi pointless.

Also I find a lot of inspiration from this blog

http://www.fivepointfox.com/





Pretty prep, and some outfits are meh/bad, but a lot of stuff interests me.

Obviously you can just rock the std solid sweaters of button down, with pants and shoes, but outfits liek the two above are imo, better, although a lot more unsafe and can easily be done horribly.

This outfit from Enough is Enough is obv good, but it just doesnt inspire me.

Mirin that first yellow sweater

I'd say that if the main goal is to attract attractive women the style in my picture is better.

A big problem with your style is that you look similar to people who try to look stylish but end up looking ridiculous.

That being said, I'm sure there is a certain range of women that are more attracted to your style than mine, but it's going to be a very small percentage.

Meh i sort of disagree, on pretty much every point. one being that almost nobody dresses liek the two pictures posted. Even people who try fashion and fail. Maybe, maybe...the top. But even then I doubt it. Secondly comparing the styles to yours is alsoa little silly as they are not even the same realm, even though they are both button downs under sweaters, that is where the similarity start and end.

If I was at work or going to a higher end lounge, your attire is obviously vastly superior. Which is fine. I am just saying the style you are wearing is uninspiring. Not even close to bad, just it doesnt do anything for me in terms of getting me excited about fashion/style.

On that same point, your style is much much closer to what people attempt when they dont understand fashion but try. Obviously your fit and how its put together is vastly superior, but your style is very common. Even among people who dont have a clue(I am in grad school, and occasionally we have to do business casual. your outfit is a dime a dozen)

When it comes to what girls are attracted to. Thats a little interesting. I do think your style gives off the idea of having more money/sophistication, which can attract. But that attraction is mainly useful in a lounge/work setting and the other two are not even meant for that. The other two I think will def garner more interest, which is arguably more beneficial(read: not peacocking obviously).

Also you keep referring to it as my style but it is far from my style, I dont wear anything similar to that currently. Mainly because I am still in college and dont go to bars/lounges where that style is useful. I, again, merely posted it because it inspires me in terms of creativity when it comes to fashion. I, or at least someone, earlier mentioned that the style often advocated here is EXTREMELY, and i mean that, boring. it is. I mean find spurous' suggestions, correct, but again boring, and I think this is because you and him both(as well as numerous others, dont want to make it seem like im singling you guys out, you responded and spurious is easily most vocal) look at fashion as a means to an end(get girls), and I look it as also an end in of itself. I dont mind wearing non optimal clothing, if it makes me feel a certain way, be happy, etc. Its fine to just follow a very formulaic approach, just not for me(not to say I dont dress in the standard "uniform" a lot though)

edit: Think about it like this. You could, literally, sum up the style you are wearing, in a sentence. Not just the outfit, the style. I could create a simple formula, along the lines of : light button down, darker colorful non neon sweater, contrasting pants, and dress shoes. And a lot of outfits that fit that formula will look fine. You cant do the same with the two styles. Obviously its not impossible, but far from as brief. The same brevity can be achieved if you were to describe business attire. Which is fine. But if your entire wardrobe can be broken down into simple rules. it s a little boring to me. I just dont want to do that. And a lot of people, and a few itt, def dont want that either. If you want to simply follow rules to get girls, then you are probably dressing optimally. But get me a couple thousand dollars and an hour and I could get anyone else no obese doing the same.

For example, I know a couple euros get bashed all the time here for some things they post. I dont rock that style but I can still be inspired by street style in a lot of ways which I think is nice.

Also the dude is carrying a sword. Bitches love swords.

Since we are on the subject, a compilation from reddit at years end from user submitted.

http://imgur.com/a/e1M0h

A decent amount of cool fits, some that will obviously gt a lot of hate here, some that will be loved.

I'm not sure what you are arguing. My point was that the style in my picture is the optimal style to attract women and you seem to agree with that.

Comparing makes a lot of sense if we are trying to figure out what the best style is to attract girls. In this regard you are correct; it's not even close.

You're saying that my attire is superior both at work and in the better venues. I'd say it's superior in almost any other place as well, but even without those other places work/school and those venues are where you will spend the majority of your time. Focusing on that makes the most sense while building your wardrobe and getting dressed.

This is silly. The style in my picture is not meant to inspire you or other males, it's to get attractive women (though getting girls in itself can be inspiring).

I'm very biased because I'm from a top 5 worst dressed Western country but I rarely come across males that are well dressed. Dressing like me in my picture makes you positively stand out to a ridiculous degree here. I have never seen somebody wearing my kind of outfit in 2 years of Uni.

Once again lounges or venues to go out to and work/Uni are the vast majority of places you interact with hot girls, it makes the most sense to base your wardrobe on these places if your goal is to attract women. Even if your outfits garner more interest it's likely in a negative way.

If you like to make it complicated with the result being a sub-optimal outfit then by all means, go ahead. I don't agree with my style being boring. There is more you can vary with, think jackets/blazers, normal crewnecks, etc.

If you have the funds to dedicate a big part of your wardrobe to creative clothing to make you happy that's obviously fine. I never argued against that.

It seems like essentially you're saying you would rather wear your style because it makes you happier/more confident than my style and would thus result in getting more girls, but I don't think the extra confidence would outweigh the negatives by wearing a subpar outfit.

I have to add that wearing suits would obviously be best, but the shirt/v-neck (business conservative) is very good for the 20-25 years old range where you're just a bit too young to start wearing suits.

Meh I think it's quite clearly summarized by

Custer dress done well > Enough dress done well >> Enough dress done poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Custer dress done poorly.

I find I rarely get complemented on my normal attire, even though it is similar to what Enough wears, though on the whole I am decently dressed. I do get compliments when i mix it up, however I also get the piss taken out of me sometimes.