TML- find something fun to do and suggest she come along. open mic, trivia, drinks, concerts, something you guys both think would be an enjoyable activity. this advice is littered all over the entire thread, you don't have to grunch every single post.

HOLY **** I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW

IM SO ****ING AGGRO TILTED AND CONFUSED THIS IS THE WORST COMBINATION

****ING ****

and drunk?

I mean, it IS 6pm.

stone sober f u guys i dont drik that much

i dont have much time but ill give you cliffs. B is sitting like 4 feet from me so i have to be careful.

basically B has been acting odd today and yesterday, but i asked her to get dinner w/e me tonight and she got all weird and said "uhh i tentatively have plans with a friend im supposed to hang out with sorry" while at the same time throwing out some qualifier about not wanting to pay for food. with fairness, this was in response to me saying i just didnt want to cook nd wanted to get something to eat. hedging ftw. there's more, but that's all i can get for now. B then disappears for a while.

im pretty annoyed, then B pops up again like 45 mins later wanting to sit at my table but we are full so she goes and sits elsewhere. everyone else insta leaves but unlike the other night she doesnt come and clim spot.

then all of a sudden A swoops in out of no where and asks me to get dinner with her. im kind of dumbfounded by this development given what happened 45 mins prior (recall A and B are roommates) so i just stare at her in disbelief for 5 seconds then agree (B is sitting 5 feet away within earshot) and A gets all excited. so A and I are going to dinner in 20 when 45 mins ago i asked B out to dinner but it sounds like she has another dinner date planned.

im going to die from all of this.

sounds like A did u a favor if for no other reason then by artificially inflating your ego that was just shot down a few minutes earlier by B.

B should see this and be thinking to herself, my roommate wants to have dinner with karak despite her having a bf so he must be good company. or maybe B doesn't like you or has recently fallen for someone else and told A she felt bad she denied you so A was just being a good friend.

pretty sure i just waited too long with B and missed my window. although im going to try one more time on thursday possibly tmw night and feel out the situation.

either that or the two of them are walking me into some sort of trap

or i just have no ****ing clue what A is doing (who ever does?)

yeota,

What do you mean by the "let me show you how I changed my room" hint? If you mean just to get me to come inside, she actually asked me when I was picking her up to come in quick to see it but I told her I didn't want to park my car since I wasn't in a spot. Don't think she was implying anything and even if so we were sitting next to each other on her bed with my arm around her and tickling and stuff, I know you guys are gonna be like "well how didn't you close then?" but seriously her reactions are just bizarro. This has never been an issue with me with any other girl, if anything I'd normally be too aggro.

Also, I've known C for a while now and a good mutual friend is her best friend, highly unlikely she slept w/ someone else or anything lol, pretty sure she was just really drunk. I'll see her out this week so not too concerned about that...

Sorry Stinger, but that's 2 pretty big hints that you missed now.

well wtf am I supposed to do about it lol

Fix it next time? Don't worry so much about this particular mistake. Just keep talking to her. It's pretty obv she's into you, so your ****-up in this spot won't be the death of you.

I mean she's def into me somehow, I just feel like it could be in a really good friend type way and not romantic/sexual. And how exactly would you fix it? I've been ramping up the touching alot, but given her reactions I just don't have it in me to go for the kiss right now since it's basically the exact same spot where she rejected me a month and a half ago. If she reacts more positively to the smaller stuff then I'll adjust, but now? I dunno

I think you're playing it pretty much right, socially. You still live @ the frat house right? Invite her to some stuff there.

Also, rub one out before you take her out. Seriously.

Oh I was goign to ask her to go bowling or something, but some1 said don't ask her out on one of the first few attempts.

So my question is, ok I talk to her tomorrow, and thursday, should I ask her out bowling, dinner or something?

stinger, once you're in the friend zone it's nearly impossible to get out

here's how you get out (i typed out this advice from a special ebook i have titled "Friend to Girlfriend")

show her that you have other female options. surround yourself with other women, let her get jealous, and don't in any way court her/reward her for doing nothing. have a lot of women in your life, show her that, and don't think about her exclusively to the point where you can't consider dating other women.

also treat her like a guy friend, instead of her treating you like her girl friend. that way she'll see your masculinity and try to then show you her feminine side.

act like you don't need her. convince yourself that she will eventually be your girlfriend and that you, not her, are the catch. be busy and don't always be available for her. don't hang out with her and do boring stuff. believe in yourself, believe that you will succeed with her. tell yourself every day you will succeed with her.

lots of girls will get their guy friends to get them food, pick up stuff, run errands for them, etc. it's ok to do it occasionally, but don't make it a habit. do it max 33% of the time, and only if it's convenient for you.

don't be her emotional tampon. if she tells you about her problems, tell her you're going to start charging her to be your therapist.

flirt with her. give her crazy/sexy nicknames. call her up, ask her what she's wearing, and then have a good laugh with her about it. keep it light and fun, but sexual. tease her. never tell her you like her.

don't fall back into your old habits. don't try to persuade her to be your boyfriend. show her you'd be a great boyfriend with actions, not words.

keep your options open with other women. don't act like her female friend. act like a man. be fearless, flirty, fun, sexual, and assertive. don't be cautious about touching her. no more nice guy, no more shy guy, no more mr. girlfriend. this time you're going to be her lover.

well, i hope you try to act on that. it doesn't have a 100% success rate or anything close, but right now, since she thinks of you as a friend, your success rate is close to 0%. this will only improve your chances.

cue karak rant



stinger- i mean, thats like the oldest trick in the book. guys do stuff like that all the time "oh check out this youtube video, my computer is in my room". that was a huge hint. the fact that you sat on the bed with your arm around her doing general flirting for 30 minutes and dont think that was a hint is kind of LOL. there is nothing you can do about it now, the only thing you can do is catch the next overt hint that she will inevitably give you (and act on it FFS).

You guys won't help me, but you help stinger where the girl basically is ready to ****, and he does nothing. Just let me get 1 more step and I will have a **** tr.

stinger, why don't you just ask her on a formal date and give her a small kiss at the end of the night after she accepts your 2nd date. seems like your best bet.

although you never really said what you're even looking for in this girl. are you looking to just randomly bang her at will, be in a relationship, date her, or what?

Ok I have asked several friends and they all really don't know what to do since I see her for such a short time..

Please ffs help

unzip pants and show her what you're made of

What the **** do you want beyond "talk about **** you have in common"? Yes, it really is that simple. We don't know this girl, so we can't get more specific. You've stalked her, so you can. You have the information, we don't. If you can't come up with this part on your own, you're screwed. It's not a refusal on our part to help, it's a refusal on your part to recognize help and react accordingly.

Quit ****ing asking the same question over and over and then acting like you're not getting answers when you are.

Ban please. He's not participating as a real user in this thread, he's trying to drum up business for that website he keeps spamming. He was PMing me doing the same thing.

Either he's spamming on behalf of a business or he's taking copyrighted material and (despite properly attributing it) copying it onto a free website.

What do you want to know. I told you everything I know. She cheer-leads, and we have passing time together. Just how should I approach her and say what?

Nah I live in collegetown and don't really hang out at the frat house much except to pregame. Not sure if you remember from my post back in Dec but girl A doesn't drink much at all, I've hung out with her 6 times now I think, had some alcohol 3 of them, and none of these did she really come close to being drunk.

As for your last comment, I'm not putting the pussy on the pedestal if that's what you mean. I'm just hanging out with her and having fun and teasing her and making her laugh a lot, then trying to initiate contact and getting no response.

I mean I understand what you're saying and think it's mostly right, but what do you want me to do? I feel like I'm decent at judging when to go in for a kiss, and it wasn't the right spot. Or I'm a pussy.

Depending on what you consider a date we've been on about 3-4 of them, gave her the small kiss after the first, got turned down for one after the 2nd, and haven't tried since.

She is def relationship material and I doubt she casually hooks up w/ anyone.