Not wanting to be all psychologisty but... I think they are trying to deal with some problem e.g. fear of rejection.

As for me, well I'm dating Amy off Futurama so life's pretty sweet - her family is loaded.

Toomanyletters- "Hey hows it going" will do. Re-read yeotas post and learn how to talk to people. I almost did the facepalm irl.

Stinger- I think you're right. Normally being more forward is almost always correct but the "lets be friends" line is tough. Let it breathe for a bit and if she continues to drop hints I would be worried if nothing happened.

ok, well I just asked our mutual friend if she was down for the bowling thing she said yes..

so I will ask her if she wants to go with us.. Just answer this seriously, shoudl I ask for her # then?

id say no

Probably not, unless you hit it off really well.

Also, the 2.5 year age difference shouldn't be a problem either.

ok ****..she said they don;'t hang out, out of school.. **** **** ****.. I think she misunderstood me before..


now what

seriously, that sucks

Just talk to this girl. If you're lucky, you are interesting. BS fun stuff to talk about.

i mean i think we are giving toomanyletters too much help.
in a nutshell, he sees (stalks?) a hot girl and now is freaking out about talking to her.
look bruh, we all see hot girls every single day. you take the chance and talk to her, or you dont. but this ongoing "what do i say, and then what do i say when she tells me her name, and then what do i say after that...." thing is pretty ridiculous.

speaking of miracles...

ok I am talking her tomrrow no matter what..

but seriously no1 has even answered this..

How do I like get her attention? should I say, Hey Leah? Or what should i do? And last thing, how many times should I talk to her be4 asking her out.


Now i promise this is the last of questions, so please answer so I can do it tomrrow and i will get TR + pics if we go that far.

+1. Sink or swim, dude. Do it. Quit posting about it until you actually do something.

lolz A and B continue to be hilarious

Sitting at a table in the lib today with D (remember: previous romantic involvement, now platonic friend, knows all about A and B). A (remember: girl with boyfriend) first comes by and sees me and stops and walks over. Talks to me for a few, awkwardly tries to see if she can fit on our table (it's so full lol), and then declares she has to work upstairs anyways and trots off.

B comes by a few minutes later... same exact routine. Sees me, stops, comes over. Tries to fit on table. Actually stands there hemming and hawing for like a minute. D offers that she is going to go downstairs soon, so B can have her spot when she leaves (D was being a good wingwoman), but B gets all awk and says she'll sit somewhere else. B goes and sits across the library. As soon as the girl (who I don't know) sitting next to me gets up to leave, B comes FLYING across the library with a cup in her hand and slams it down on the seat and says "don't let anyone take it while I get my stuff!!!"

However, it was really quiet tonight, so there was no time for appropriate conversation. Plus I had a lot of **** to get done. B tends to get a little disgruntled when she studies anyways.

I just thought it was funny to compare the reactions of the two girls. A later came by and she and B left together. I dunno. Just tough to get a read sometimes.

The night before A saw me studying at a table by myself late in the night and dragged all her stuff downstairs to hang with me for a while. No one was around and A and I just ended up talking for over an hour, and then I drove her back to her car across campus. When she got out of the car there was this awkward little hesitation. I dunno. Tough to describe on the internet.

On another note: B gets hit on... a LOT. So many AMOG interactions with dudes when we were out, and it seems like every 20 minutes a guy stops by to flirt with her. I don't really engage in this behavior, and she nearly always comes to me in social situations, at the library, etc. Just an interesting note...

It's kinda surprising to read your posts Karak. Everything I've heard says meeting/finding girls who could be girlfriend material is nearly impossible in law school. Especially if you want to do as well as you've apparently done.

As far as your situation goes, I think B is really into you. She may be trying to make you work it for though if you know what I mean. A sounds like she could be as well but I think it could be triggered on by boredom with her current boyfriend.

This is true for the most part (your first paragraph), and once we get into the latter part of the semester the time for girls will plummet. Many of the girls are either in LTR or so focused on their studies they don't think about relationships. Also, it's a smaller school, so word gets around fast. I've managed to keep all my interactions (shockingly) under wraps. It's worth nothing that I too am not interested in a serious relationship, but it would be nice to have something casual going on with a girl and then see where it goes from there.

This weekend is going to be my big test with B assuming she is in town. I'm going to stick my neck out (haven't decided how yet) and see what happens. I might invite her to get a drink with me after the library tomorrow night. I'll have to feel it out. Either way, I'm making some sort of move. Enough treading water.

Allow me to throw this out there so that I can be talked out of it...

I brought this up before and am going to again. Considering that this girl gives me few opportunities to make a physical move, and seems to tend toward being somewhat old-fashioned and traditional (though not overly so), would it be the worst thing in the world if I just came out and told her that I was interested? I just know that I'm far more likely to follow through on this than awkwardly forcing some physical move when left with no true opening. Obviously I'll keep looking for openings though.

I do have a general feel for why this isn't usually the best idea, but as much time as I've spent getting to know her...aren't my chances with her pretty much set in stone by now? No damn way that she hasn't at least considered the possibility that I'm into her, and she probably has a pretty firm feeling by now on how she would respond if I made a move. By now, I have a hard time seeing how this would tank me and turn potential success into failure.

It's not like I've decided to do this or anything, but I decided that the thought was worth entertaining again.

Why is this any better than kissing her? What advantage does this have at all? You had the opportunity to do ti the other night, you'll have it again. Just get in an intimate situation with her, convince her to come close to you for whatever reason you can think of (check out the mole on my face! ok don't say that, but come up with something) and just do it.

if shes traditional, you can take it slow.
i dont know where you live, but perhaps mention its nice outside so lets take a walk. you can "jokingly" hold her hand and to make it joke-like at first, swing your arms real high, but after like 3 seconds of that bs, omg youre holding hands!
take it from there.
in before karak-bash.

*karak gag*

well this chick moved his backpack off the chair and wouldnt sit next to him on the couch. if that wont work, then he should curb stomp her and move on.

In the case of failure, I think I come off as far less of a creep by saying something rather than getting rebuffed by physically moving in. Say what you will about why I shouldn't care about this aspect, but I do.

And in all honesty, a Christian girl who seems to be inexperienced with these things might respond better to something like this. I guess I'm only drawing that from the fact that my Christian friends who are dating/married all seemed to get going in this way. Giving her a moment (or more) to think about what I said doesn't seem like the worst thing, considering that she's obviously got a really high opinion of me.

That, and again, the opportunities aren't ****ing there. I'm not saying I couldn't physically grab her and pull her in or something, but it would be so forced that it would be WAY more awkward if I got shot down in a situation like that. If she was hanging really close physically, that would be an entirely different story. She isn't.

Earlier this year I was in a situation with a very devout Christian girl. I didn't know this at the time, but even coming out of a 4 year relationship, she had never made out with a guy. I just went in for it. She rebuffed me and said "I don't know. I just don't do this."

I looked at her and said, "And why not dear?" and leaned in again and she met me halfway and actually initiated things from her end. You'll be fine. They are still girls.

You can go the talking route if you absolutely MUST, but there are better, higher % ways.

my best and longest lasting gf was a very christian girl. it was different, but yep, shes still a girl. you just need to get her to trust you.

Okay, I hear you.

But do you honestly think, knowing this whole situation as I've told it, that I'm actually negatively affecting my odds of success if I do this?

She hangs out in my apartment until late hours of the night. She trusts me.

Admittedly my altruistic side hates the thought that she might feel that her trust has been violated if I suddenly started creeping on her and she wasn't into it.

This is part of the price I pay for letting the situation go on this long and growing to care about her too much before even ****ing dating her.