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If you take a woman working 60 hours per week in a corporate job and try to pair her up with a man working 50 hours per week as a food server, it's just not going to work. She's gonna be more in her masculine energy for most of the day and he's gonna be more in his feminine energy, it goes against universal law that this relationship will be harmonious. It could however "work" for some period of time in order to shift them back to their natural energies that are attempting to be expressed through them which would be masculine for the man and feminine for the woman.

It is in the nature of feminine energy to submit, again, it's just a universal law. A woman who is feminine or craving internally to be feminine which basically all of them are, is going to subconsciously seek out a man who is masculine enough to make them submit. That's why there's the whole underground BDSM world that so many of these corporate females visit on the weekends, bc after spending a week at work in their masculine energy they have an internal sexual pull towards feeling feminine and submitting to a man so they seek out an extreme version of masculinity in the form of sexual brutality.

Women are looking for a man that they can trust to lead the relationship. This doesn't mean at a high enough level of evolution they don't act as a team, but simply she has put her trust and faith in him to make the decisions protect her, provide for her/the family, and handle his business if/when **** hits the fan.

Some of you guys are gonna read the stuff I posted and think it's BS, and you gotta treat women like a flower, and take her out to all these dinners and events just to get a whiff of her panties....not the case. If you think I'm an idiot or ******ed for thinking this way, cool I'm not talking to you guys.

For the guys that are reading what I've posted and you see the relationship dynamics between men and women that are going on right now, and have really been going on and ramping up to this level in full force since social media became popular, and you see that **** is upside down and roles in society are being reversed. Study the nature of masculine and feminine energy that is exists in everything in the universe. This is the energy that runs through all men and women(everyone expresses both to varying degrees). The point of a relationship is to help bring you more in balance with the 2 as the relationship becomes a single entity. This isn't even possible in most relationships today as they are flip flopped and men are acting like women and vice versa. Figure yourself out first and your relationships with everything around you start to change.

for the record lunch date was on monday; dinner and rooftop bar was tuesday; dinner/bball/her place was thursday so it wasnt three in a row.

about the tickets; i dont really understand what your trying to extrapolate and mold into your theory here LD.

Its like someone else said; it came up so the plan changed. Why wouldnt I go to the game? Besides we got to stay in afterwards anyway. Denying the basketball game wouldve been horribly unnatural, irrational, and I think wouldve painted me as an immature and unamenable child in her eyes.

Simple answer, it's inauthentic to who you are and she knows it. You said you wanted to stay in, the subtext of which is that you want to ****. She goes against your stated desire, you then accept her agenda rather than owning your desire thus handing your manhood over to her. This is all about what your actions are telling her about who you are subconsciously, this isn't really a logical process, it's a feeling process.

Be honest with yourself, when she told you that she had basketball tickets and we're going to the game instead....were you excited or disappointed? You wanted to stay in and **** so you can't really be anything other than disappointed, she can feel that and you let her put you into that place wo putting her in check. Now she can't trust you and feel your masculinity, attraction gone, plain and simple. It's about being true to how you feel at your innermost core and values for what you desire in life. Let any woman pull you out of that place and you lost her, yea she may stick around long enough to watch you squirm and enjoy it for awhile bc some of them are sick like that but emotionally you lost her.

is it that hard to imagine that he actually wanted to go to the basketball game?

"hey you want to stay in tomorrow or go grab dinner?"

"would rather just stay in"

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"guess what! I scored vip passes to an awesome concert tonight we can go to!"

"I SAID STAY IN BITCH"

Legit lol'd at this. Thanks for that.

trolls/haters never want the truth...unfortunately those laughs come at your own expense

so what about my question? what if he actually wanted to go to the game? isn't it "alpha" to do what you want to do?

That night she asks me when were hanging out again and if we should go out or stay in, I reply stay in.

Next day (thursday) she says she got ball tickets instead so we go. We had dinner first, awesome dinner and then basketball game. Lots of hand holding, kissing. She asks if I want to come over and watch a movie. Yes I do. I go over and watch a movie, we make out and dry hump for like 3 hours, she didn't want to do more. Left feeling ecstatic.

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I'm open to being wrong but just reading what he wrote, he didnt want to go to the game. He glossed over the fact he went to the game with a...."so we go". No excitement behind that at all.

Yet he's ecstatic about 3 hours of dry humping. Dude wanted to get laid and didn't, bottom line. If' ya'll are looking for the gameplan on how to go out with a girl 3/4 nights and leave with blue balls and have her go cold on you, follow that playbook. If you want to go to a basketball game, go with your boys. If you want to get laid, BE a man and treat her like a woman rather than letting her be the man and call the shots. He didn't post any of what he posted as a brag/success story...he posted it wanting to know where things went wrong and I told him from my perspective....ya'll ain't hear me tho. Keep treating these chicks like you're trying to wife them up from date numero uno and see how things keep going. Even the few times you hook up with the girl, you're gonna feel dirty inside bc you had to give up your manhood to do it.

Its true, I certainly did not want to go to the game. I wasn't excited about it.

Anyway, I had dinner with a girlfriend (non-romantic) tonight and told her the story and she brought up a couple of points. Her conclusion was that the girl was testing me to see whether I just wanted to get laid, or if I had more long term motives, and that I had obviously failed the test.

She drew on two details of the story to draw this conclusion. One was, while we were sitting at the basketball game, she asked me if I wanted to come over to her place. Only she said it like this "After the game you can come over to my place if you want, but you don't have to if you're tired or something". I remember that she said the latter part twice, the "you don't have to if you don't want to" and thought it was maybe a little strange.

My friend said that that line, coupled with the fact that she intentionally didn't progress at all past the making out when I came over means that its likely she interpreted it that I was just interested in sex and that's why she slammed the brakes so fast. She said the correct move was to have not gone over that night. My friend also alluded to some points of LD's post wherein by going back to her place so readily it ruined aspects of the chase.

Given that this woman may think I may only be interested in sex (the truth is really that's not all of the case, I want some companionship too), then perhaps it would be better to text her and state my motives more clearly? Because if this is true, then the longer I go without texting her, the further it would solidify in her mind that all I really cared about was getting laid.

Thoughts?

Lucid - Source on corporate females visiting underground BDSM on the weekends?

gf in the corporate world having a few too many "ladies nights" it sounds like.


I'm gonna give a warning before I say anything more in here. There's gonna be a lot of people in here that don't want to see the truth in what I'm saying, some of them already posting/trolling and living their life in delusion. That's cool, the world we live in feeds off those people and nothing I can say or do will make them wake up, or anyone wake up for that matter, I'm only pointing at something that everyone sees deep down going on below the surface. Choosing to go deeper down the rabbit hole of what I've been talking about is for sure to cause a lot of strife in your life and relationships and how you see the world. If you aren't ready to hear that kind of stuff then put your head back in the sand and go about your "normal" lives. Just remember, you don't know what you don't know and you can't undo it once you do, you will start being pulled towards the truth in various ways in your life. Things were pretty clearly set in motion in my life from the time I was born for me to see through the veil that's pulled over the eyes of society....from my upbringing to various events that triggered emotional reactions in me to the truth. The more I let go of the emotions and holding onto them the clearer the truth became. Ignorance is bliss but I also wouldn't go back to the way I was knowing what I know now. Disclaimer over....if you don't want your world flipped back right side up and to go through everything it takes to do that, read no further...




LT22....my source is observing life and digging into information most people don't want to really know about. Girls I've dated, friends, and mentors have made me aware of the crazy **** they've seen on top of what I've personally seen. The **** that GoodGame has posted about in this thread...ask him about it. He is an outlier man but the experiences he has are not outlier events....they are simply standard/normal events that happen in our current society to outlier men. If you aren't one, you wouldn't even believe any of that kind of stuff happens as much as it does. The truth is many girls have to share a guy like that with a bunch of other girls bc there aren't enough outlier men in the world. Most of these girls are dating some guy that they walk all over and don't respect and who doesn't know how to **** them....then they have a "girls night", how often depends on how much control of the relationship the girl has and she goes out looking for a guy like GoodGame to **** her right.

Most girls cheat....all, of course not....but when I say most I mean a very very high % in our current society. Women have lots of emotional needs and very few men are developed enough in their masculinity/manhood to handle all those needs, therefore the women are going to cheat, it's just the way things are.


As for more about corporate women being into BDSM, I already talked about it in another post. It goes back to the nature of universal energy which manifests itself in our world as masculine/feminine. The way you see most girls behaving towards you is not feminine. Girls acting bitchy, standoffish, aloof, aggressive, etc is not feminine, it's actually masculine. Our society is currently flip flopped and most western women express more masculine energy than they do feminine bc most of the men express more feminine energy around women than they do masculine. Asian women from Asia are the best example to look at in our current society if you want to see an example of real femininity, not all of course but the majority. They act girly, giddy, very expressive and emotional, and are much more childlike and playful than serious which is the opposite of your avg Americanized girl. You see a lot of American girls let loose and become more like this when they go out drinking but if you approach them in a feminine way, bitch shield goes right back up til they meet a masculine guy.

Because most women in the corporate world are brainwashed by society/feminism that they're supposed to be independent and go out and get it and they don't need a man and they're equal to men, and it's OK to be sexually liberated and sleep with as many guys as they want, etc...they learn to start becoming more assertive and aggressive in their jobs and in their whole life overall. These are traits of masculine energy, they're becoming more masculine. Now some women may be able to compartmentalize well and leave that at work but most can't and they will be pushing for control in their relationships. So unless they found some really masculine guy to hold them down in their personal lives outside work, they have an internal battle going on inside them that is attempting to pull them back into alignment with Nature which is to be feminine. The more masculine they are the stronger this urge becomes. This internal battle takes place in the subconscious and must be released, the energy that runs through us(our life energy) is the same as our sexual energy(obv, sex is what brings forth life)....so the easiest way for the woman to release her masculine energy and submit to her feminine energy is to be dominated sexually, very brutally in some cases. The extreme form of which is some girl taking multiple guys at once, gang bangs, lesbians having sex with strap ons, and a lot of things our society considers "sexually humiliating" in order to submit her into her feminine by a strong masculine force....the stronger the force needed the more in her masculine she is, conversely the less force needed the more naturally in her feminine she is. I don't mean force as in physical force tho that is the case usually but moreso in a roleplaying sense, but I mean she needs to feel a energetic force of masculinity to submit her into her feminine.

Now if you really want some proof go look up the statistics of women that have rape fantasies and look at how high they are. Now consider how many women have them and don't admit it and you'll realize that number has to be much higher. Think of the dark sexual fantasies that you've had yourself that you don't tell anyone about, everyone has these and they weigh on human beings subconscious. Women are actually emotionally and sexually weaker than men and they do and will act these fantasies out eventually. Pretending all these girls are delicate flowers and would never do such perverted things is just lying to yourself.

The truth is that if your gf, and I'm speaking to everyone, has never revealed her dark sexual fantasies to you and you don't act them out and have pretty plain, vanilla sex....it's not bc she doesn't have them and doesn't act them out with someone. It's bc she doesn't think you're man enough to ravage her the way the dark part of her psyche requires so she is finding a guy that fits that archetype to act it out with.

For the guys that have been walking around with blinders on that have read this far and want to tell me I'm crazy and idk what I'm talking about etc. That gut feeling you have reading this that doesn't want it to be true but deep down knows it is, the same one you had about your suspecting your gf cheating on you but she gave some reasonable excuse so you just chose to ignore the feeling and believe her bc it was less painful, but that gut feeling never really went away. You better start paying attention to those feelings bc that's your intuition and it knows way more than your mind ever will. Your mind will always lie to you but your gut never will, you all know that deep down but it's been so brainwashed out of us as a whole that we spend almost all of our day lost in thought and disconnected from the "real world". Time to reconnect boys, it's the only way to become men though I will admit the process is very painful emotionally, it's incredibly freeing.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't asking for more of your social theory, he was asking for evidence that this is a real phenomenon, that corporate women are more likely to engage in BDSM than the general population. Even anecdotal evidence?

I just skimmed this article but here you go....google is your friend

http://www.ejhs.org/volume16/BDSM.html

BDSM is about taking on very defined roles of either dom/sub....masculine/feminine. Whichever role a person decides to take on they are fulfilling an internal psychological/sexual/emotional need they feel deep within them that is begging to be released.

Women will either practice this in a healthy way within the confines of the relationship they are currently in(rare today)or they will repress it until they can no longer keep their sanity and they will meet someone or seek out someone that can help them express this side of themselves and at that point it doesn't matter if the woman is married or single, the energy must be released.

sasha grey's pretty masculine according to your definition and got gangbanged all the time, just sayin'. meanwhile the cliché male threesome dream is all about having two women take care of you, how feminine is THAT?

you could just tell him "if you want to **** her, then **** her, don't go to the game" without all that drivel. which would be good advice. same for your broader points. what's wrong with posting "**** your girl right" without all that bs? that same advice also applies to women btw. it's not about masculine/feminine energy (lol), it's about owning yourself and your desires and getting over yourself & your insecurities

LD tl,dr bs filtered:
1) don't do stuff you don't want to do just to get laid
2) **** her right

everything else is either superfluous, nonsensical (eg the bit about women having emotional needs they get fulfilled by getting ****ed by a GG type man? LOL) or wrong

I actually believe it might be that simple for you kaby, some guys are naturals and aren't consciously aware of the emotional processes they are going through when dealing with females. Do you really think you can break it down to those 2 simple steps and solve the problems that all the guys in this thread have posted, you can't be that naive.

Have you ever played a really good strategic player HU that you know has nearly as good or even a better strategy than you but you know as soon as he tilts you got him(why does he keep doing it if he knows better)? Guys tilt around women all the time and self sabotage. I'm giving them a process and a perspective for seeing things in a way that allows them to stop thinking women are these perfect, innocent, creatures that should be put on a pedestal and worshiped which is what is causing most of them to go on tilt around women that provoke strong emotional/sexual responses in them, combined with a repression of those feelings.

After reading LucidDreams post I think he is right.

Few weeks ago I dated a girl. She invites me to come over, but prior to that she assured me it wasnt a booty call so I had that in the back of my mind the entire time (not trying to **** her). We ate dinner, talk quite long for few hours, then I made a move. We had sex multiple times. She wasnt really experienced so yeah wasnt that ok but I tried some ''crazy'' and ''rough'' small things which really turned her on. She said she never had had sex on first date before, nor hung out with someone for so long. So I thought this was going really well.

Best first date I have ever had. Best girl I have had ever met. She was genuinly interested in things I was doing, had experienced and think about. Most girl just talk about themselves the whole ****ing time. I cant recall being on the same line on things with anyone else. She showed me her music list, which I had no idea about before, and we listened to exactly the same music (I have never met anyone who shares my music like that).


Few days later she invites me again. We eat some dinner, talk a bit for an hour or two and then have sex again. Somehow I couldnt get hard so yeah quite awkward situation. I fingered her and licked her pussy. She came and jerked me off. Ok so next morning we have sex again, successfully this time.

Then few days later I ask her to shoot some pool (we talked about that before). Then suddenly out of nowehre she said she would rather wanted to be friends. I was completely shocked. And in my emotional ******ed status I shared my feelings. She explained herself that she didnt feel a ''romantic'' click. I was depressed for a day but then just let it go and we decided to hang out as friends.

Now I suggested maybe to play some pool or watch a movie. She invited me over to watch a movie. Since I really liked her personality I did not want to mess it up by trying anything sexual, so I just treated her as a friend. She did begin to talk about sexual things (like how her friend lost virginity yesterday on her first day of backpacking, or if my friends and I ever compared dick sizes (wtf?))

Then two days after that I said I was going on a holiday for a few weeks and if she wanted to grab a drink before that. Then after a day, even though she was online, she replied saying that ''I really really liked hanging out with you, but it is just too heavy/uncomfortable after what has happened between us''. Again I was completely shocked.


To me it just seemed as soon as I turned un-manly (not getting hard, sharing my feelings, showing emotions, becoming slighly slightly clingy, showing that I doubted a few things about decisions I had to make (career choices)) she was just completely not interested in me, not even as a friend... Like as soon as I turned too available for her things went south. Each time she actually wanted to meet, it was her proposing and I just ignored her a bit in the meantime. Each time I suggested something or wanted to talk, she declined.

Before that I was just the cool guy who traveled a bunch and knew where he was going in life and actually had a life (this is obvious not true, but she did not know that before talking).

I have explicitely asked her for some explanation. But she remains superficial and doesnt tell me wtf is going on. Probably because it is uncunciously?

Also my friend somehow matched her on tinder 10 minutes after we had our ''third friendly'' date. To me maybe this means she did want to get ****ed again, despite claiming to just want to be friends? Why else would she go on tinder in the middle of the night.

Im so confused... Because she keeps saying how enjoyable meeting me each time was...

I still wanna be her friend lol.

I understand this feminine behaviour of my ruins my odds I guess to be able to **** her. But why does she just not allow us to be friends??

Should I have tried to **** her the third date after she had said ''I just want to be friends'', if my end goal was to remain friends and maybe friends with benefits?

to add: on the third (friendly) date I addressed the fact that I felt a bit sad about it when she told me, but I was tired at the time and that since then I had left it behind entirely and did not feel those emotions at all.

Dont see why it would then be awkward to hang out as friends. She acts as if we had a relationship for 3 years and 2 kids or something jesus.
Who would you not see the bigger picture, and take the awkwardness for what it is, and then try to make a solid friendship out of it???

why cant she just say '' im not attracted to you '' (she actually said she still was physcially), ''your a too clingy'' ''I dont like X, or B , 6 , ofeskjk).

why does it have to be so vague all the time.

Let it go, let her go. Pay attention to people's actions, not their words....then treat them accordingly.

How can I? I never met anyone with whom (during the dates at least) I could so freely express myself. I also cannot get over the fact that she listens to exactly the same music as I do, I dont have anyone to share that with.

Thank you.

Wow you're really committed to becoming friends with somebody you've seen 3 times ;p

The reason she's vague is because most people don't take criticism well. Guys are vague too, this is no m/f thing. Ofcourse she's inclined to be more vague since she cannot know in advance if you're the small % that will stalk her if she says she's just not that into you (and while females stalk to, they probably won't end up violent)

Occam's razor explanation: she wanted sex, she got it, she didn't want more so she blocks it off after a couple of times. Meanwhile you think this is the best girl ever based on her being able to have a conversation rather than a monologue and sharing your taste in music.. sounds like you need to meet better girls. She's not interested in you for more than sex, so be it. The solution to your situation (and I hope LD would agree) is not to act like you don't want anything more in the hopes of getting laid a couple more times, it's to just accept that.


@LD: You're right in your last post (although I wouldn't call myself a natural or good with women lol, although I am good at not giving so many ****s). People do need stories and reasons and not just the bullet points. I just wish you'd fabricate a motivational story that's not incorrect and harmful (we've been over why I think it's harmful a couple of months ago iirc). Not that we have to repeat that discussion, but your m/f dichotomy really irks me. Many people, both male and female, are just looking for someone strong and confident to take care of them (eg Trump's election). Most people are wildly emotional, although males and females might express it in different (socially appropriate) ways. Most people, male and female, are scared to own their desires and dreams. People who do own them are attractive, both male and female.

That girls are just, you know, people should be evident to anyone who has female friends. I wonder if hesrightyes has any tbh.

PS: My strategy was always best. Them tilting is just the icing on the cake! ;-)

Why you'd want anyone in your life that's as emotionally flaky is beyond me. You had some good times & sex, enjoy those memories & get the hell out of there before all of that is ruined by this drama. Seems like an emotional timesuck

This is exactly what I've been talking about fwiw with masculine and feminine energy and the roles in society being reversed.

You acted like a woman around her and she started acting like a man. Go do something with your life. Do you really think any of the stuff you're whining about is important? Who gives a **** if you don't have anyone to share your musical tastes with or someone to pour out your emotions to...do that **** with yourself man. You obv don't like yourself very much right now which is why you're acting like a chick. Learn to be cool being by yourself without needing someone to be around. Listen to music by yourself and get lost in it, have a good cry, let go of the emotions that you are letting define you. Then go back out into the world and accomplish something. Have a purpose in your life bigger than women/some woman and stay unwavering on that path...don't let any bitch pull you off of it bc as soon as she does, she'll toss you to the curb for being so easily controlled by a woman. Women want a man that's in control of himself so they can let go of their emotions and feel like a woman around him

Thank you all.

Yeah I have a few female friends, mostly justs girls I hung out while on holiday with whom I talk to on chat lol. These are asian girls, and they are not that ''annoying'' lol.

I did speak to another girl about it and showed her my chat. She said the girl was very vague, but also that I also acted very apologetic and very inferior all the time. Which she said would turn her off as well.

Maybe I just completely saw the whole situation different from what it is. That might be. But then again I dont understand why she would say she wants to meet up as friends and constantly say, even after the final verdict, how nice it is hanging out with me.

But yeah this info wont change your opinion/advice about the whole situation I guess.