Men and women are both wildly illogical and consumed with emotions. Sure the average man will be slightly less so than the average woman, but the difference between them is so small compared to what "logical" or "not consumed with emotions" would look like that it's ridicilous to use the male level of slightly-less emotionality as some sort of rationality standard.

This is the problem I have with the last few posts. You think you see through our consumerist culture and tell the truth, but you don't seem to realize that your biological determinism obscures the truth from you just as well. Plenty of men have no desire to be the king, and plenty of woman have no desire to be the queen. A while ago in this very thread (iirc), the correct observation was made that for some women their man is just an accessory, something that looks good on their arm while they run their lives. I remember it because it describes someone I know perfectly. It baffles me that you don't seem to know women who are a much better what you call "king" than almost any man.

Yes, feminism occasionally misses or overshoots the mark, and yes, you're doing a good job here shaking up guys that fly just to get laid. But you seem to have no historic sense. For every 19 year old guy that's pussying around there are tens of women who were forced into a child-rearing role they didn't want, without the opportunity to develop themselves. A girl born now has a significant (I believe it's about one in ten) chance of being raped in her life. Let that sink in for a second. Talented, driven women have been blocked for ages because a 200 year ago version of LucidDream was all like "I really don't believe almost any woman put in these positions of power is truly happy in them - oh but I do believe in equality". And you're keeping those thoughts alive because it might inspire some guy to get laid more? **** that imo, as you would agree life is not about maximizing the amount of pussy you get (although that is not what a biological determinist would say.. )

I could go but it doesn't matter anyway. You will not be convinced, and as usual I'll just get a couple of PMs agreeing with me this thread can sometimes get ridicilous (thx guys!). Your advice is good and I have benefited from it/should apppy it more. I just wish you could tell nineteen year olds to step up, take control and stop supplicating without invoking an incorrect worldview/narrative that has made this world a far worse place to live than it could be and that makes life miserable for both men and women who don't fit into it to this day.

Tl,dr: people are people, everyone should be encouraged to take control of his/her life without the bull**** of any gender narrative. Not SAMEism and not LD's biological determenism.

I rarely comment on anything here, but just have to chime in, and say that's a great post kaby.

Definitely more realistic in actualization.

That first sentence is blatantly false. Men are generally logical and not consumed with emotions. Women are the opposite. Of course there are men that are extremely emotional and women that are extremely logical, but to say they are on the same plane is absurd.


You are basically saying it's like 55-45 or something in terms of the difference between men and women's emotional capacity and that's just not the reality.

This is so incredibly ****ing wrong. Humans are consumed by emotions. There is no logical human being. This is just utter nonsense. There is a bandwidth in which every human being falls on the being logical range but they are still mostly guided by emotions and experience.

To even think that the gender that is responsible for all the wars in history is logical and not emotional is just loltastic.

Jon snow acted on emotion
Sansa acted on logic

Checkmate gus

Gus, get some femalw friends and Talk to them about the dating behaviour of guys.

Then come back and say that men are logical. Most of my girlfriends have experienced more crazy **** than I have from the opposite gender. I'm sure there's some sort of argument that crazy invites crazy, but I don't think it's strong enough to stretch to "men are logical, women are crazy".

What up y'all! Hope everyone's been having a dope summer. Been at camp in CO without much wifi/internet access but it's been incredible. Have been on multiple trips so far including a 5 day horseback riding trip. Just got back from two days off where I tripped shrooms with 6 homies at what was essentially a commune. We each took a bit more than an 8th and pretty much just laid in the backyard for three hours haha, was an absolute blast.

Been hooking up with the 26 yo camp photographer. Clutch situation seeing as she has her own cabin while I live in a tent with my campers. We didn't have sex the first time I went over but she gave some bomb head until I came on her stomach and was whispering in my ear how she wanted to **** but that it'd have to wait a week. Feeling great about life in general, have let go of most of my feelings that were holding me back with my two ex girls. Will let y'all know if I have any other funny stories that come up.

I don't know near enough about the subject, but isn't there a decent amount of evidence showing men and women are equally emotional and the difference in how we display emotion is due to nurture, not nature (society is ok with women crying, not men).

To fryke's point, I find women to be more logical than men. Men are f*cking idiots. In the end, we're all human and super illogical though. Read a book on behavioral economics and/or human biases and you'll quickly realize no human has a chance in hell of being truly logical.

You all are focusing on men's behavior when it comes to a singular woman. There are plenty of men who are morons and get locked down into a relationship, and literally are worse than women when it comes to thinking logically.

If we are talking about general dating where someone is seeing multiple people, then it's really not even close. Women are far more likely to bounce from person to person and have difficulty deciding if they like someone or not. Men are more likely to figure out quickly if they like someone or not, and only then when they become emotionally attached logic flies out the window (for some, not all).

I think there are two problems. One is that there are a lot of dumb people who are fairly incapable of thinking logically in the first place. Since this is a good percentage these people skew the data. Secondly, I think society puts too much value on monogamy and shuns alternative forms of relationships, so there are many people that go into dating thinking they have to find "the one". Again, many of these people are also dumb, so these groups have quite a bit of overlap.

From my experience, girls I know have always been more emotional than the guys that I know when it comes to dating. The few stupid men I know might be the worst in terms of thinking with emotions, and that's because they are morons who can't think logically.

And scrolls, not sure that's accurate. I can find reputable articles saying men are more logical, women more emotion. I'm sure they can both reach the same emotional level, but that's not really relevant.


But yes, in closing, when two people are dating seriously or have emotions for each other, logic can easily fly out the window. That still doesn't mean that the woman wasn't more emotional (when it comes to dating) to begin with, and the man wasn't more logical. I just totally disagree with kaby's statement since it seems to expand outside the realm of dating where there are plenty of people who think logically and are detached emotionally in many situations.

I think you are going to get roasted for the bolded

lol you guys are delusional, gus and lucid are obv right when they say females can be more emotional. hate to use anecdotal evidence but i've had girls tear up on 2nd/3rd dates because they've been heart broken before and theyre scared to fall in love again. Ive had girls tell me to change a song in my car because it reminded them of someone and it got them emotional. and not to mention females are more likely to cry from watching an emotional movie, im not even sure why this is a discussion or argument. Everyone needs to stop being PC and admit the truth when they see it.

Tough guy,

you are 100% incorrect. Your anecdotal evidence is absolutely useless there is actual science proving you 100% wrong (despite Gus claiming he has other sources).

It's more than a little ironic that the "men are logical" men here either make such a big reasoning error or somehow misread my first point.

Even if every man indeed was more logical and less emotional than any woman, the statement "Men and women are both wildly illogical and consumed with emotions." would still be true.

fwiw, imo men are on average a little more logical than women in general, but in relationships specifically I think its a lot closer and effectively even.

Also worth remembering that someone posting on this forum is probably...
A) a little more analytical/logical than the population average
B) a man

wsop,

Do you agree that women are conditioned from a very young age that showing emotions is ok?

Do you agree that men are conditioned from a very young age that showing emotions is not ok?

Now you can agree with both of those statements and still think women are more emotional than men, but at the very least nurture is a significant part of the equation.

Also worth pointing out that the main reason so many of us are here and were able to find some degree of success in poker is due to the fact that so many people (mostly men) are clouded by emotion to realize that they aren't as good as they think they are.

Yes, women are more likely to cry at a movie, but men are more likely to get in an emotional dick-swinging contest over the stupidest crap both irl and on the internet. We just display emotions in different ways.

I guess you could say that on average, women are probably a bit more emotional, but I would also say that the vast majority of people, men and women, have a low level of emotional stability.

Probably the best way to sum this argument up.

My tinder profile says "6'3. Ugly but I text back fast" so a lot of the first messages I get are "you aren't ugly". I still don't have a decent response to it so if someone has something lmk. Feels weird saying some version of thanks, you're not ugly either. Best result I've had is just asking a question from there and not acknowledging it.

Also tinder is forsure dead compared to 2014, but I don't have my own place so part of me thinks I've been holding myself back until that changes. I go out to bars and stuff all the time so running into matches and using that as the convo starter is big enough positive to swipe for the ego boost and never really message

i would stick to not acknowledging it and probably tease her about a pic she has up. Tinder for me has been better than 2014 but then again im not a broke student anymore and i lift now so that helped.

Where are you living that tinders dead? people literally just starting using it this year where im from lol

Right - what does dead mean? I'm in Boston and have never gotten the "there's no one new around you" message in 1.5 years.

When I mean dead I'm using hyperbole. The quality of person on there went wayyyy down. Too many buzzfeed articles and stuff about it. Now the higher quality woman is on Bumble but these dating apps went down hill, now we have to wait for something else to evolve.

Tinder was the first only dating thing where like it was like cool to use. PoF, eharmony,etc always had a stigma. Tinder was cool to show ppl. Legit celebs used it and NO ONE had the stupid "not dtf or here to hookup" bio line.

I mean I missed the "partypoker" era of tinder when it was iPhone only, but Moments was a ****ing game changer and allowed you to essentially mass message ppl what you were doing.

Like I said if I had my own place I could still do the "drinks and back to my place" move that I did a little bit of before, but everyone's just way more jaded.

Looking for some input:

I have a new roommate (girl from same country as me). My type, reasonably attractive.
We hang out a few times like roommates do.

So few days ago we go out and get drunk at this place with 7 people. We are both smashed and get real touchy etc. Basically gonna hookup. But then we do some dumb shots and she goes too drunk (barfing etc).

Next few days I dont see her much since she works.
So tonight we hang out 1 on 1. All roommates are gone and she joins me in living room. Offers me wine but then sits pretty far away from me
(Like there are 2 couches, I sit on one but she proceeds to sit on chair at table behind the couch)

We have fun, talk and she seems interested whatever. We talk about the other night, dating etc (I go with Chinese girl to a city close by tomorrow and she drilled me a little about her)
We get food, she sits closer (on chair but with legs on couch but still not in proximity). We drink beer, talking till 1:30AM while she has work tomorrow and has to get up at 7AM.

I end the night because I cant read her and I keep the initiative. We talked at that time for maybe 3 hours.

I planned on just going out with her again and progress from there, but then I am a little passive sometimes. So I would like to know if anyone would have made a move/intentions clear.