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01-21-2015 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Henry17

Where we fundamentally disagree is that you think this is an environment / behaviour problem. I believe it is a reality problem. His reality is different than the real world so nothing other than changing that will fix it. The problem is in his head and how he thinks. Changing the environment would mean he would just be thinking wrongly in a different environment.
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01-21-2015 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by lazer
Part of the problem, IMO, is that you're already putting this situation when exchange students come as a big opportunity to try things out. You're building up a lot of pressure which, based on your posts, is the opposite of what you need. You should be working on these things day to day, not waiting for a big opportunity.
Yeah, true enough. I have to stop placing expectations on things that aren't there to begin with.
01-21-2015 , 07:19 PM
Placido,

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Originally Posted by Placido
I have to stop placing expectations on things that aren't there to begin with.

Exactly.
01-21-2015 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Placido
I appreciate it you guys, I really can't say it enough. I was expecting much worse reactions.

The only thing that's really on my mind now, is if I need to stop talking to this girl completely or not, the one that treats me as her BFF, while she has a BF back home. It's not good for my emotional health to keep feeling like I want to see her some days, yet avoid her others. Ever since I kissed her, I don't know what to do. I can't completely cut her off as we have too many mutual friends, and I see her constantly in the library where I get the majority of my studying done.

Next month, a group of about 40 exchange students, half of them girls, will be here for about 3 weeks, and that might be able to give me a bit of a chance to kinda just see what happens, so this might be a prime time to put some of the stuff you guys have said into practice, and see how it turns out. Good or bad.

For the purpose of keeping this simple without getting into tons of details on the dynamics of men and women relationships there are basically only 2 types of men that have interactions/relationships with women.

Men that are getting laid and men that want to be but aren't.

Obv there are lots of things the guys that are getting laid are doing that the guys who aren't, aren't doing but the main difference is the guys that are....don't let the woman decide the dynamics of the relationship.

If you are spending time with a girl 1 on 1 it is your job to act in a way that conveys the dynamics of the relationship you would like to have with her. That means being sexual and letting it come out in your body language that you want to have sex with her. If she's interested she will let you keep progressing towards sex and if she's not she will shut it down and make some comment about being friends with you or just not call you back or whatever.

Once a girl has made it clear she just wants to be platonic friends you need to be honest with yourself, do you want to be platonic friends with this girl(sometimes you will want to for whatever reason but the vast majority of the time the answer will be no). If you don't want to and she makes it clear that's all she wants, that's the end of it right there. You stop taking her calls and texts so much and you just move on and meet other people and rinse and repeat the same process until you meet a girl who is interested in that. The better you get at conveying your sexual interest in girls with eye contact and body language the less you will run into girls that just want to be platonic friends bc everything about you will be saying, I want to **** you, this will be fun, lets make it happen and then she will make her decision to either let you progress to sex or shut you down. Stop looking at being shut down as rejection and start looking at it as the girl saving you tons and tons of time. Every time you get "rejected" you need to look at it as the girl saving you a ton of time from going the platonic friends route hoping and praying that one day she might see how awesome and manly you really are....once it gets to that point you're dead in the water 95% of the time anyway so just cut and run.

Put your balls on the line and stop worrying about what people will think of you if you do what you really want to do. What do you think about yourself every time you see a girl you like and you end up being "just friends" with her bc you didn't pull the trigger and make your intentions known? What you think about yourself in that situation is literally the only thing that matters. If you don't like how you feel when you aren't honest about your intentions then be honest about them and see how that feels. You will find that even when you "get rejected" you feel completely liberated bc you took action on your desires despite what anyone else might think about it.
01-22-2015 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Henry17
I don't know because once you are no longer participating in mostly mandatory universal random sampling you don't see them. With the exception of the internet the last time I saw someone like Placido was in university residence. Once I bought my own place and moved off campus I didn't really see them again. There is no way to know because if we base it only on are own experiences we'll say there is very few of them but if we started working in call centers it would likely be a majority of our peers.

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My guess is that you have likely never met someone like Placido. I lived in residence for the first year and even then it was maybe five guys out of the entire residence. Most of my exposure was actually from residences at other schools where the population seemed much higher. Like one school I was a visiting student at I swear it was 20% of the guys.

Where we fundamentally disagree is that you think this is an environment / behaviour problem. I believe it is a reality problem. His reality is different than the real world so nothing other than changing that will fix it. The problem is in his head and how he thinks. Changing the environment would mean he would just be thinking wrongly in a different environment.

The reason this would likely make it worse is that people who are like this make even worse decisions under stress. Also the more environments they fail in the harder it gets to delude themselves that the problem is their environment and that leads to anger or futility.
Maybe I haven't. The person I imagine Placido to be, I definitely have met before and they do exist at top tier universities as well.
But you think he is way more ****ed up than I think he is.

I think he has a high sense of entitlement and that makes him think people are against him as soon as they are just for themselves.

It's difficult to discuss this further without knowing him better.

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Originally Posted by Henry17
But your in some kind of professional program -- I think something finance related. You're not going to find people like this in professional programs and if there is a few that sneak in they certainly are not going to be getting internships. This would be more like what if Best Buy had an exchange program for their lifers.
No, I attend a regular university doing my masters there but I've worked in finance and the people at my university are obviously closer to people in professional programs than they are to Best Buy lifers.
01-22-2015 , 09:19 AM
I don't think I would consider him entitled -- he does have entitled tendencies but mostly because of his delusions about how society should work. I've been watching more UK shows and I much prefer it because they are more like real life -- American media on the other hand is completely unrealistic in how it portrays interactions between characters -- this is true across the board but most pronounced in shows for tweens and young teens but it is spreading to older demographics with the popularity of nerd shows. What I have noticed is certain socially ostracized guys who basically come to believe that how characters in these types of shows behave is how people behave and that is what causes the conflict.

The reason I wouldn't consider him entitled is the from his perspective his views on friendship are hyper romanticized and not based on reality. If I was mugged in in a city where I knew no one I would expect any of my closer friends to go to Western Union and send me a couple of hundred dollars. I wouldn't consider that me being entitled because that is within the normal expectations of friendship. The problem for people like Placido is that what they define as normal expectations of friendship is defined by the hyper romanticized characters from American media. There is a ridiculous amount of self-sacrifice and living by absurd honour codes that isn't reality. This is why I would consider him more delusional than entitled -- he doesn't think he deserves something because he is special but rather that this is just how it works. My guess is that his fascination with rural Japan is even an extension of this since Japanese are often portrayed and used as the pinnacle of this selfless living by a code type in American media.

Where entitlement does start to come in is that people who think this way often don't live it themselves. They manage to keep the self-delusion that they would because that is really never tested by life but if it was they almost never actually follow though.
01-23-2015 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Henry17
I don't think I would consider him entitled -- he does have entitled tendencies but mostly because of his delusions about how society should work. I've been watching more UK shows and I much prefer it because they are more like real life -- American media on the other hand is completely unrealistic in how it portrays interactions between characters -- this is true across the board but most pronounced in shows for tweens and young teens but it is spreading to older demographics with the popularity of nerd shows. What I have noticed is certain socially ostracized guys who basically come to believe that how characters in these types of shows behave is how people behave and that is what causes the conflict..
I'm 98% positive that I am Ted Mosbey.
01-23-2015 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Warlock Nova Bomb
Next time i see her there, im walking right up to her and telling her she is the hottest girl ive ever seen. I can pull it off as i dont sound creepy and am good looking. I usually go at the same time. Hope to see her there again. Good chance il get rejected, but it cant hurt to try.
If it's true she's the hottest girl you've ever seen or close to it that would mean shes a 9 or a 10 and she's prob heard that line or something close to it a ton of times and it doesn't carry a lot of weight anymore. Not a big deal to let her know you're attracted to her even verbally but I would tone it down from saying that to something more specific you notice about her.
01-23-2015 , 06:31 AM
She's also probably in there at a very quiet time to avoid that kind of thing
01-23-2015 , 08:59 AM
The effectiveness of that approach depends completely on if you are as good looking as she is. If you are it will work fine. If you're not it won't work. Situations like this your behaviour don't matter. If a guy is unattractive there is no course of action that will get her to respond positively and if he is attractive he'd have to really work at ****ing it up to get her to respond negatively.
01-23-2015 , 10:34 AM
Hope this helps

01-23-2015 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Warlock Nova Bomb
I was at the gym at like 130 AM and saw the finest chick ive ever seen at the gym. It was dead in the place so i did my usual workout. I walk into the room with the fitness balls and do some ab workouts, while the hottie was bending over infront of me. I positioned myself away from her in the room, and had a great angle of her from behind.

So she is bumping her music loud as heck on the phone. Some slow song came on she changed it, and i told her ya that music was too slow. She responded back and we exchanged some words and went back to working out.

She got up and was exiting the room, while i was doing ab workout with the big ball device. She was looking at me and i eye ****ed her back. She said bye, i said bye have a good night.

Next time i see her there, im walking right up to her and telling her she is the hottest girl ive ever seen. I can pull it off as i dont sound creepy and am good looking. I usually go at the same time. Hope to see her there again. Good chance il get rejected, but it cant hurt to try.
Why wait til next time ?
01-23-2015 , 01:10 PM
Just make sure you're hitting arms before you try it, gotta have that last pump before you make the move.
01-24-2015 , 04:26 PM
tinder for "elites"

pretty interesting idea. just yesterday i thought that "a tinder" for hot people would be a good idea, similar to beatifulpeople.com
01-24-2015 , 08:12 PM
Meathead Rob Lowe came on my TV while reading that gym story. Perfect timing.
01-24-2015 , 08:44 PM
Still market space for my tall person dating app called timber(its a tree joke, get it? Hilarious). Only top 25% of females in height, and top 25% of males in height allowed.

Last edited by CCuster_911; 01-24-2015 at 08:46 PM. Reason: may narrow it to top 10%
01-24-2015 , 09:08 PM
nice.

this would actually be a fun project, only the height requirements would only apply to men in my app. would be easy to get media attention.
01-24-2015 , 09:23 PM
Yeah, why would men want such tall girls? Seems like many of those girls are unattractive.
01-24-2015 , 10:47 PM
I think it's time for me to go hard as the hood I'm frommmm

Mods please change title to "2015: Lifestyle we never knew"
01-24-2015 , 11:23 PM
2015: I like all my girls bbw, type to wanna suck you dry and then eat some lunch whichu
01-25-2015 , 12:08 AM
I guess any app with an height filter should work, that allows everyone. You only get shown if you are in their range.

Also fwiw top 25% of females is like 5'6+, males like 6'.

The problem with everyone and filters is that people will just lie, with the other you can easily just flag accounts that look deceptive.
01-25-2015 , 12:26 AM
So got matched with this Hawaiian girl on tinder that has been in london for a few months, exchanged numbers after a short convo, then proceeded to text each other, she seemed cool and the convo was flowing so I asked her when shes free to meet up for a date, she then told me she would like to but she's going to bring a friend along?? what do you guys think of this? it seems like shes just trying to signal that she doesnt want anything serious with me and she probably wants to be friends.

what do you guys think?
01-25-2015 , 12:30 AM
Does she seem fun? If answer is yes, go have fun with her and her friend. Getting to know people is so valuable.

I went on a date with a girl who said she winged Tinder dates with her friend all the time. Her friend liked to meet people while already out and about rather than going on dates.

The girl I was dating said she thought that showed a less serious vibe (exactly what wsopmichael is thinking) and that her friend was an idiot. Said her friend wanted something more serious and that she was approaching it wrong.
01-25-2015 , 01:10 AM
My first reaction was that she just wants a friend to come as a security measure. Some girls are afraid to meet up with random dudes by themselves. tbh I can't really blame them given how many weird guys there are on any form of online dating.
01-25-2015 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by wsopmichael
So got matched with this Hawaiian girl on tinder that has been in london for a few months, exchanged numbers after a short convo, then proceeded to text each other, she seemed cool and the convo was flowing so I asked her when shes free to meet up for a date, she then told me she would like to but she's going to bring a friend along?? what do you guys think of this? it seems like shes just trying to signal that she doesnt want anything serious with me and she probably wants to be friends.

what do you guys think?

I've had girls say this, typically tho when I've already met her friend(s). I just say....you're friends seem cool but I really just wanted to hang out you. She will get the point and either will or wont. Say something and save yourself the time...if she refuses there is no way she's very interested in which case u have to win her and the friends both over.

      
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