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"Ask Out A Girl" Thread: 2014 Year of the Petite Brunette and Pissing On Dudes "Ask Out A Girl" Thread: 2014 Year of the Petite Brunette and Pissing On Dudes

08-26-2013 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GoCubsGo
i think you're missing the point. my criticism (though i wouldn't really call it that. if someone is looking for what you advocate, your advice is probably spot on) with your advice is that it doesn't apply to most people, and i think this situation is a great example of why. when i met the girl i don't think i'd even showered that day, was out just to relax with a friend and didn't have any thoughts of even talking to any girls. the sunglasses i was wearing at the time were actually broken because i dropped them that morning and didn't have time to buy a new pair yet. these are all things that you would say would completely destroy any chance at success with women. now in your reply you will change it to say it will destroy any chance at success with women that aren't low hanging fruit. maybe she was, but that doesn't change the fact that i had a nice evening with her and got more or less what i wanted out of it. i think the people that are seeking your advice are unable to achieve even this modest level of success so that is where to start with them, rather than trying to train people to have a stable of models in their phonebook.

meanwhile there are the guys that tried to pick her up. you say they got traction with her, which they absolutely did, you're right about that. but the end result is that i went home with her and they went home to expensive male beauty products. there's also the guy that she went to dinner with earlier that night, which she showed me pictures of (he was much better looking than me), who had paid for a bill over 300 dollars -- champagne, tons of fish and tons of food. this sort of extravagance is a big part of your game if i'm not mistaken. having a flashy car sitting outside that the waitstaff will mention offhand, having 500 bills on the outside of your wallet, ordering expensive food and drinks. but after dinner she texted me to go out and that guy went home alone and took a massive dump.

i'm not saying all of your advice is ****, but it's not the only way to do things. i had a really nice time with the girl just by being myself, was just a fun, normal guy, made good conversation. i'm sure it helped that i dressed fairly well on our date, that i paid for her drinks, that i took her to a good venue that impressed her. these are things you also advise, and they do work.

the basics of what you advise are pretty accurate, but i think the extremes you take them to are misleading. this is a good case in point as it shows men doing what you advise and not succeeding, meanwhile someone doing some of the things you advise but also others which you condemn has success. but perhaps we define success differently. for me, success with women is having a good time with women that you are attracted to and you enjoy the company of. given your disapproval of low hanging fruit i get the sense having a woman around is more about status for you, that you enjoy the feeling of other people being impressed that you seduced a woman that is hard to get. there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not for everyone.

this will be my final post on the matter for now. going back and forth with you can be enjoyable but isn't worth my time (no offense, but i just don't have enough time to accomplish all the things i want to in a day). you have the last word, and the above is just my opinion. everyone reading this thread has to make up their own mind if they think it's worth it to pursue the lifestyle you advocate.
I think all this is a complete load of rubbish. You have to remember that Henry used to pick up in high end clubs, where there were lots of other rich guys, taller, better looking guys then himself. Id say the reason he did so well, is more to do with who he is as a person and the fact that he understands woman so well and knows how to press their buttons in the right way. The fact that he is rich is just because he is successful and has passion and drive in his life. Anyone can learn to be good with girls if they are open and willing to put in the practice. Its a lot easier to become good with girls then to become a top poker player I can tell you that.
08-26-2013 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by The-fryke
It's weird, I actually agree with both Henry and GCG. I feel like GCG is pretty similar to me, but I think i't's important to always be trying to improve in the back of your mind.

For example, basically every girl I bang is between 4-7.5. Probably 90% fall within this range. And that's fine, because I'm a 6 and I don't have exemplary game or social status. I also genuinely enjoying having sex with girls who are 5's, so if it's something that makes me happy why change right?

On the other hand, I definitely find myself getting complacent. I will often approach a 6 at a bar instead of an 8, simply because that is in my comfort zone. Again, not terrible, but not something you want long term. I feel like it's all about finding a balance between doing what you enjoy and always trying to improve at the same time.

I think the main point I agree of of GCG's is that you can't go from unsuccessful nerd to Henry clone. You need to go through the Fryke phase first. IMO at least. I also find that Henry's stance against low hanging fruit is mainly for reputation, which I think is overrated, at least in terms of damage done to it. Girls are terrible at rating how attractive other girls are IME, especially if they like them. Like if you bang an 8's friend who is a 6, and you handle yourself well, you actually go UP in status IME, whereas I believe that Henry would suggest you go down. Obviously it doesn't help you bang the 8, but I feel like it can help her wingman for you down the track.

Perhaps I'm just weird in that pretty much every girl I've hooked up with still likes me, but I've made so many wingwomen/friends/FWB from hooking up with random girls. It's pretty much my go to for meeting friends.
Why would you not approach the 8. Just talk to them both, and see who likes you. Girls are far less concerned with looks then guys. You have a good job, ur 6'4, I think you shud be able to pull any woman you want you just need to get some confidence.
08-26-2013 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabonator
Also, some friends sent me a fb invite, that they're throwing a traffic light party later. Never been to one, don't know if it's really a thing. Sounds weird, at least.
I've never heard them called that although the name makes perfect sense but these green / yellow / red club nights are a thing. Never been to one because the ones I know of are at places that are not my crowd. I would go.

As for friends setting you up I see it as both positive and negative -- if you're shy then it is a introduction but the negative is what does that do to your position / bargaining power in the courting? I would also be concerned about pressure to connect with someone I'm not interested in because of the friends and how much that would be an issue -- obviously very much friend dependent on how pushy / high pressure they would be.
08-26-2013 , 06:54 PM
traffic light parties can be tons of fun, easy to pick out the single girls at least
08-26-2013 , 07:26 PM
I went to a rainbow party once...would recommend
08-26-2013 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
Why would you not approach the 8. Just talk to them both, and see who likes you. Girls are far less concerned with looks then guys. You have a good job, ur 6'4, I think you shud be able to pull any woman you want you just need to get some confidence.
+1 You should always aim for the best rather than settle. Also hooking up with 8s+ brings your confidence up a lot more. I dont get what the fryke means by he enjoys hooking up with 5's though, that sounds like an excuse to just make yourself feel better for not going for 8's+.
08-26-2013 , 07:58 PM
assuming it's not worth it to do a semester study abroad if I have a girlfriend? seems like would be much more fun single
08-26-2013 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TakingIt
assuming it's not worth it to study abroad if I have a girlfriend? seems like would be much more fun single
Yeah I feel like you wouldn't get the full experience with a gf back home
08-26-2013 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TakingIt
assuming it's not worth it to do a semester study abroad if I have a girlfriend? seems like would be much more fun single
I expect you wouldn't have a GF if you did this. The separation is almost certainly going to lead to a breakup at some point.
08-26-2013 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wsopmichael
+1 You should always aim for the best rather than settle. Also hooking up with 8s+ brings your confidence up a lot more. I dont get what the fryke means by he enjoys hooking up with 5's though, that sounds like an excuse to just make yourself feel better for not going for 8's+.
But it's a simple ev calculation IMO. 50% chance of hooking up with the 6, I'm pretty happy with that. 10% chance of hooking up with the 8, obviously I'm happier but not 5x as happy.

Numbers are obviously arbitrary but I feel like they are somewhat accurate. Obviously if I know girls I'll make moves on 8s, but it's hard to bat 2 points higher at a bar with a random.
08-27-2013 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jabonator
My girl friends were asking me what kind of girls I like on Saturday. They were saying they've decided their going to try and find me girls. I have a bad feeling about this.

Also, some friends sent me a fb invite, that they're throwing a traffic light party later. Never been to one, don't know if it's really a thing. Sounds weird, at least.
Tbh, it lowers your value. Being setup is one thing, being setup because of lack of success sends the wrong signals.

Also, the girls will most likely set you up with less attractive girls, because they see a higher chance of success there.

Having said that, often times this is not working, because the girls wont put any effort in actually finding someone for you.

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Originally Posted by TakingIt
assuming it's not worth it to do a semester study abroad if I have a girlfriend? seems like would be much more fun single
Ditch the girlfriend or agree to an open relationship for the time being.
Not doing the study abroad because of a girlfriend will be the first thing you regret when you are older.
08-27-2013 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Spurious
Ditch the girlfriend or agree to an open relationship for the time being.
I can confirm open relationships work well. lol.
08-27-2013 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by The-fryke
But it's a simple ev calculation IMO. 50% chance of hooking up with the 6, I'm pretty happy with that. 10% chance of hooking up with the 8, obviously I'm happier but not 5x as happy.

Numbers are obviously arbitrary but I feel like they are somewhat accurate. Obviously if I know girls I'll make moves on 8s, but it's hard to bat 2 points higher at a bar with a random.
It is always very hard to go above your level. If you went straight brute force you'd have some success but that is a really terrible idea. The much better approach is to get to their level. You said you're a 6 -- what would it take for you to be a 7? Do that. Once you're at a 7 repeat the process. The idea is not to try to go above your level but rather to raise your level to the degree required to get the type of girls you want.

The biggest obstacle is being honest and accurate in the initial evaluation and then in the list of what is required.
08-27-2013 , 11:04 AM
That sounds painful and expensive

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08-27-2013 , 11:14 AM
8s dont use auto phone signatures
08-27-2013 , 11:51 AM
tinder girl coming into town tonight. will stay with me. implied that she doesnt want me to wear a condom but obv i need to. any chance she gets insulted when i go to put one on?
08-27-2013 , 12:21 PM
lolwat who cares if she gets insulted, you have to wear one regardless.
08-27-2013 , 12:27 PM
You have to wear one. This girl is engaging in really bizarre behaviour. When dealing with people like this you have to take no unnecessary risks.

In your situation I'd likely rent a hotel room-- make up some excuse about the amazing view, need for a hot tub, whatever-- and spend the night with her there.
08-27-2013 , 12:46 PM
interesting play but i'd rather not see her at all than spend ~250 on a hotel. i'll just have her over and def wrap it up.
08-27-2013 , 01:32 PM
How did she imply that she didn't want you to wear a condom?
08-27-2013 , 02:19 PM
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Ditch the girlfriend or agree to an open relationship for the time being.
Not doing the study abroad because of a girlfriend will be the first thing you regret when you are older.
Actually something I was thinking of doing. Been thinking about it a lot and I think I'm just too young to miss out on a such a cool experience because of a relationship. Thanks for confirming the right course of action.
08-27-2013 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mullen
How did she imply that she didn't want you to wear a condom?
she said she wanted me to come inside her
08-27-2013 , 03:08 PM
Dirty talk taken seriously with assumptions itt

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08-27-2013 , 03:24 PM
That is somewhat ambiguous and considerably less strange than what I was expecting. If she had explicitly said no condoms I'd be alert to why but this is just dirty talk and at most it could be interpreted that she is ok with no condom.
08-27-2013 , 03:52 PM
Funkys girl sounds insane to me. I agree with henry that you he should rent a hotel room instead. this girl could possibly ruin your life if you let her get too close to you. Is this the same girl that was sending you nudes?

      
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