This has nothing to do with their own achievements.

That is a completely different issue that is not at all related to the current topic. The question is about the relative number of young women who have a certain earning potential vs men with the same earning potential.

at my law school between 60-65% were female

40 k is around starting salary for first year teachers even some engineers in nz. most law grads earn less then this in their first year, min wage is acceptable at the moment (crazy I know). basically only doctors would earn more then 40k straight out of uni. govt jobs start around 45k or so I think based on what friends have told me. nursing less than 40k.

I might be slightly off on some of the figures this is just based on memory alone and what friends have told me

Data Analysis fail the last few pages.

Agreed, but it is his job to lead the relationship (a leadership based on honesty backed by his logic and reasoning). A process made a lot easier if the male is the main/sole breadwinner.

Is NZ cheap or something? The NZ dollar was worth half a US dollar in parts of 2009. Now it's worth 80 cents per dollar.

jfc, just scrolled through some of this debate about having the wife take care of the kids is only reason for getting married and that women don't make money. I'm probably one of the most shallow people in the world, but jfc this is ridiculous.

Compare women to men that are same education/experience/field and tell me what the income disparity is. Most of these stupid ****ing statistics don't account for the fact women/men work different jobs.

The request for a nurse was probably the dumbest **** I've ever seen. You think she can work overnight while the kids are asleep. Ok, so she works from 10pm-8am, sleeps from 8am-4pm, and then takes care of you and the kids from 4pm-10pm? What are you going to do on the weekend when she's working her ass off and you're home alone with the kids? Also, nurses work weird ****ing shifts. They don't just get to pick/choose and say "hey I only work this shift and this **** only on these specific days." Nursing has to be one of the nut LOW careers for YOUR specific caveman needs.

SF TR

we checked into our hotel at just before 5. shot gunned coors light that we brought then went out looking for places. went into a couple bars. we were told about one that has an NES so we headed there. they had this thing where you pick a number between 1-12 and there's a box with bottles that correspond. figured mixing was the best way to yucked so we did 4 of those each and played street fighter. we also checked out the venue.

on the way back to the hotel to change we picked up pabst and 7&7. that's when i checked in with the skype chat. after changing and drinking more we got pizza and walked to the place. we got lost so we didn't get there until 9ish. the opening acts is who i went for so i wanted to get there early. turns out there's local opening acts on top of the 2 already opening acts so we had plenty of time. some local act had all his friends there who were wilding out. i don't know his name but his songs surprisingly slapped. rockie fresh performed and was meh. he looked just like a small kid cudi. during his performance i kept getting eye ****ed by a blonde. there wasn't a lot of her type in SF and there were no stereotypical white bros in that part of the city so that's probably why. but i'm a vagine and didn't talk to her. instead some 6 said she liked my friends hat so i danced on her. throughout the night she would come up to me and then go back to her friends. i drunkenly offered for her to go back to the hotel with me and then drive her to her city the next day. thank god she said no. after the dean's list performed we went to the parking lot. started making out. i was trying to get my D sucked in between the cars but a bouncer came out. made out on the street then went back in. dean's list had a band with them for the songs and the instruments mic levels were way louder than the mic so that kind of sucked.

throughout this i was texting SF girl. she's from the TR where i knocked off my side mirror leaving in the morning. she moved like a year ago to SF. she told me the cross streets of where she'll be at. then casey veggies got on and after his opening song i was good to go so we went to get a cab. on the way out i got the 6's number. oh and i got a pic with the dean's list too. no one was there for them so we actually talked for a minute. pretty cool dudes.

so we got a cab and met the girl. she didn't have her ID so that was the only bar she could go to since she knew the bouncer. i wasn't bothered cuz i was really drunk at this point and wasn't confident trying to hit on girls. her friends left after like a half hour and she decided to go back with us. got a cab back and killed the bottle of seagrams 7 between us. at some point we started talking about iowaska and i found out she listens to joe rogan too. so i was in love again.

this is where things get fuzzy. i remember turning off the light and made a move but i have no idea if we ****ed that night. the condom i had was gone from the drawer in the morning and i had multiple texts from my friend saying "if u want give me the key and i'll leave for 30min". so ya idk. but i did wake up in bed next to her so i spooned her, then went to feeling on her ass, to fingering. then banging. my friend was in the next bed asleep.

she seemed kind of in a bad mood when we dropped her off but who knows. we then smoked on a cliff over looking the ocean. got nation's burgers and went to the beach. at the beach we played corn hole and after a nap i was good to drive so we headed back to sac.

Livin' up to the title of the thread.
I've been meaning to type out some more mini-TR's of myself as well (partially to show I'm not the complete weirdo people perceived me to be after my last post) but I guess I'll postpone that to tomorrow as I'm about to go out with some girls and their friends, there's still going to be a favorable ratio though.
Really enjoyed the TR, I appreciate the work you do GG. At times you seem like you're not the most socially attuned but you sound like one of the most fun guys to actually go out with from this thread. Too bad I'm probably not going to get the chance.

Ya you are still sound creepy bro YGOS ?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph...heretobefemale

On the subject of women's equality.

lol women

Ok so a few weeks ago i go to a wedding and meet this girl i knew from college but hadn't kept in touch with for 3-4 years. we hit it off extremely well, talked/flirted for the entire time, hooked up afterwards. We part ways the next morning, her to SD and me to DC. I was pretty sad to leave- so hard to find a girl these days that's smart and humble.

We im'd/talked like every day for the first week which is when i developed some real feelings for this chick. A lot of flirting initially but since then the flirting evolved into more substantive talks- school, work, career goals, etc. Since that first week, we talked less (but still 2-3x/week). Initially she initiated most conversations, now it's prob closer to 60/40 for me. I invited her out to my law school formal last week, to which I think she was a little surprised that i would fly her out to DC, but she declined, saying she had to be in London for her job (which i believe, she's a consultant).

But now, i'd like to ask her if i could come out to SD for a extended wknd during my SB. Is that too forward? I am gonna see her in ~8 weeks for my college reunion but I also wanted to have some 1 on 1 time with her. At the same time, kind of an awkward question to be asking a girl. Thoughts/advice? A little about her- she's actually pretty sexually conservative, her job keeps her pretty busy, very career-oriented. My feeling is that she's probably thought about all of this, but she's prob scared of the distance, which may be why we haven't talked as much as we have that first week.

IMing IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Also, definition of hooked up in this scenario?

And, you are prob being way too forward asking her to fly out somewhere. She's in London? You are asking her to come to some place in the US? That seems absurd at this point.

You can't just invite yourself to SD. Also, might want to slow down on the creep factor. Keep talking occasionally until reunion. Have fun at the reunion. Starting a new relationship long distance = really hard, so you might as well get these needy feelings out of your head for the time being.

Re: your invitation to law formal across the country. Seems like negative expectation play.

this overall situation is a long shot for anything meaningful.

hooked up = sex

no, she lives in SD... but she'll be in london that wknd for work.

i guess i need to clarify- i'm not necessarily sure i want anything meaningful- prob more of a casual relationship. i do enjoy her company but don't have much expectation for anything long term. maybe if we lived closer to each other, i would change my opinion. but now, just want to have fun and see where things go.

Wait until reunion...prob best thing you could do right now is go out and hit on other girls. You're coming off as needy creep with invitation to formal and then wanting to invite yourself to SD over break. Luckily you didn't try that before posting.

hung out with this girl today, went hiking. she's cool, likes me, too big for me though. decided the other day i'm done with it, just gonna be friends with her. daytime activities are safe, no chance of drinking and sex. we go hiking, she's looking made up. i purposely wore raggy clothes so she'll stop liking me. i mostly act how i used to act when i wanted to get with a girl back in high school. turns out i was doing everything perfectly wrong back then. but now suddenly it all works. everything i say is hysterical and she keeps telling me i'm so funny. when i get rattled she is amazed at how expressive i am, when i stay calm she is amazed at how hard it is to phase me. i can't lose. she is unknowingly doing a great job of trying to change my mind, bouncing around energetically helps erase my stereotype that she is slightly lazy in addition to slightly fat. i consider that maybe if she keeps running around so much she will have to lose some weight. and maybe she's not lazy. i almost blow the whole friends thing by grabbing her ass but control myself at the last second and keep the date platonic. in a moment of weakness i mention it'd be awesome to go to her place and hook up, then think better of it. she invites me and must have been surprised and confused when i declined.

i head home, tired, cold. do some work, **** around on guitar. some music thing tonight, girl i'm into might be there. text a friend, he's not there yet. ask him for a ride, he says too far outta the way. i contemplate not going then have some shots and grab a book and roll. show up and the crowd is worse than expected, all the kids that weren't very good at theater or math, but tried very hard to do both. they drink too slow, talk too fast, about nothing, or at least nothing i care about. i scan the room a few times. the girl i like isn't there. i entertain myself by feigning annoyance at their questions about the girl that i like, that isn't here. i don't really care. one girl is decent, looks a bit fat though. i realize i'm at a party with no girls i really want to sleep with, or will sleep with, and i have no alcohol. i post up next the only people i know at the party and start talking random gibberish to get a rise out of them. catch the decent girl looking at me. she looks bored. i talk more gibberish, look back at her, she's looking at me again. it's an invitation that i can't accept cause she's sitting on a chair with no other chairs around her, there's really no way to open a conversation without leering over her. so i keep talking to my friends and this party sucks and would they like to leave? and they do, so we go to another party at some bar.

i see the birthday girl and hug her, she is sort of cute, cute enough for this night anyway. i remember seeing her on campus and smiling at her, she smiled back flirtatiously. at least i thought so. we sit down and i am bored. i sit in the corner and don't listen to anything or anyone, let it all pass over me and think about it, why each person is here and what they want and what they do when they're not at a bar on a saturday night for a friend's birthday. ugly but cool girl sitting next to me is looking bored so i talk to her about this girl i like who sent me a picture message and and ask what i should reply with and i'm pretty candid and this offends some girl who is eavesdropping on us without invitation.

the eavesdropper girl gives me a dirty look because she thinks i'm being 100% sincere, and because i can tell she is too uptight and because **** her, i act even less sincere. she finally speaks, i consider it something of an accomplishment that i got this uptight girl to speak to a stranger, and what she has to say is pretty stupid and i sarcastically let her know that and then withdraw and she thinks i'm an ass hole and very obviously tells her friend this. i'm annoyed because i was planning to try to **** her friend. i mention to my friend that this girl sucks. then i talk to the ugly girl more and say more controversial things and just when i do the bitch girl starts eavesdropping again, so i say, just loud enough so she can hear, "this girl is gonna go home so offended tonight." she leaves the bar soon after that.

some other girl had sat down near me, she is the most outgoing of anyone there, and maybe the most interesting. her and i hit it off, well sort of. she doesn't understand that she is talking about my passion and botches the explanation, trying to sound smart, reveals how dumb she is. i don't really care she's fun and she's looking hungry. the girl in between us leaves and we're sitting right next to each other, touching a little bit. i'm killin it and the whole table has given up on their mundane conversations, craning their necks for a chance to hear ours, but the whole time she's eye ****ing my socially awkward but handsome friend. i make several clever, witty, insightful comments that most of the table laughs or nods at, but every time my friend so much as squeaks a half sentence together i lose her attention. i get a feel for where this is going, tell her i'm leaving and have to be up early but would she like to come over? no but it was very nice meeting me and have a good night.

mate texts me something incoherent and i tell him that girl likes him but he says no thanks and i tell him she does kickboxing and that turns me on. he tells me i should have gone for it.

Gcg that is one of the most entertaining trs I have ever read. It was like Jan Bernstein attempting noir.

Casual means you just wait until the reunion and then go to that. You had a one night thing with a girl you haven't talked to for 4 years prior, talking about flying somewhere just to go see her is nuts.

This was my favourite part. Did you write this sober?

GCG,

Lol. Solid TR, but not for the usual reasons.


Rotel,

You need to put the brakes on bro. You had a one night stand, you're offering to fly her to law school formal (GTown? LolKarak). Definitely do not invite yourself to spend your spring break in SD, shoot her a text every now and again and see her at your reunion.