I think this is a good piece of advice:
Don't call a girl unless you have something to say.

I'd definitely go with the "make plans for the weekend" idea.

What do you guys think about the exact opposite type of girl, the quiet/kinda shy/slightly geeky but cute ones, who don't/haven't dated a ton of guys, don't do the random hook-ups thing, and in general just aren't that flirty. And before you say it, obviously I know that the reason that some of them don't seem flirty is because they probably just weren't interested in flirting with me.

Still, I've met girls who just never did the hair flicking, the touching you on the arm, sexy eyes, w/e moves or body language stuff generally associated with flirting, and it was just because they never learned it or weren't good at it I guess. So how do you read girls like that, who instead of giving you too many signals (by being too flirty), actually give you no signals (cuz they suck at flirting)?

escalate contact, slowly...you'll be fine.

they are just like pussy males who don't know how to make a move...the great thing is they're women and the guy should be making the move anyways

shy/geeky/cute does not = prude

edit: start by touching her in approriate points in conversation, if you're watching a movie or something, put the arm around but don't death grip her. another good move for these types is to grab their hand (when sitting), put it on your leg and she will be more open to initiating contact back to you if you help her get started

honestly i wouldnt think it bad if u just texted her saying hey i had a lot of fun last night do you want to hang out sometime this weekend? (so not necessarily tonight)

I would call, find out what she has planned for weekend (preferably Saturday or Sunday), don't wanna come across as needy. make plans for saturday or sunday unless she makes it clear she wants to hang out tonight

On a related note, I've finally worked up the motivation to start going to the gym. Haha, maybe showing off my sweet bod will induce this girl to open up more/escalate physically.

P.S. I am at least 15 pounds overweight, and God knows what my body fat % is... I should probably drop like 25 pounds of fat and put on 10 pounds of muscle. Obviously I'm a complete workout-noob (never really went to gyms, used to play a lot of tennis/soccer, broke my leg last fall and haven't exercised at all since).

True story: the last action I got was with this movie playing on my TV

true story: i absolutely hate that movie.

TUTS-eeeee

I loved that movie. Was a little childish at points but was still amazing.

Having a non-awful movie to watch is necessary imo. One time I had a girl round and we watched a movie neither of us had seen that was so boring she actually fell asleep. I had no idea what to do. :S

i read all the posts but i don't have anything new to add, well except TUTS did own yeato with that line about internet privileges lol.

anyways i'm hanging out with the girl i like tonight (the one who had a huge defense wall up). prob going to dinner with some of my friends and then going somewhere to drink. i'm 100% not getting laid but i'll update later anyways

lol i was just thinking about this:
when people say TUTS, are they actually saying something like "Toots", like rhyming with "puts", or "Tuts" like king tut. or "toot" like "toot my own horn".

up>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wall=e

I've had sex to both of those. Ship it.

My favourite though was the time I got head in a movie theatre to Chronicles of Riddick. Every time I see Vin Diesal now I get a semi.

bbv------------->

At least I'm not clamming up like an emo girl.

one has nothing to do with the other, and besides, i admit my faults.
you posted only to brag about something no one cares about.

TUTS stfu his post was fine

see? this is what i was talking about

Here is my TR. I post it so yeota can rub it in my face. I'll post it without conversation details, because I think my reaction will allow you to fill in the blanks better than I could ever articulate them.

MF calls me and sounds like she is in a very bad mood. I ask her if she still wants to go out somewhere, and she insists she does.

She shows up. We talk for a minute. She seems in a terrible mood, but I'm sure she'll snap out of it. I again offer her that I can go do work or something if she isn't feeling up to going anywhere and wants to go home. She insists, again, that we go out and offers to drive.

We drove about 8 minutes or halfway to our destination, with us having "conversation" the whole time, and I turned to her and said:

"MF, please turn around and take me home. I want to go home now."
"WHAT THE ****?"
"Seriously, just take me home. Please."

and she drove me home the rest of the way in silence.

HOLY

****ING

****

I honestly was fearing for my life at that point. Anger, yelling, cursing (with no provocation or speech from me) combined with cornering at 45+ MPH in a small compact car. I nearly pissed myself.

When she pulled up in front of my house, I yelled "good night" and jumped out of the car and RAN to my doorstep. I don't know why I ran. It was just instinctual.

haha details of "conversation" plz

Me: "So where do you want to go?"
"I don't give a ****. Figure that **** out."
"excuse me?"
"Sorry I don't have a ****ing filter on right now."
"oh... ok. I could see where my friends are at?"
"You mean those stupid ****ing law school bitches you dated?"
"Only one of them"
"Whatever. My friends are at x bar (which is really freaking far away)"
"That's kinda far..."
"Guess that's a ****ing no. WHERE THE **** ARE WE GOING? I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE **** I AM DRIVING RIGHT NOW."
"Uhh you are from the area. I have no idea where we are."
"Well then what the **** am I supposed to do?"
*takes corner at 45 MPH making me nearly piss myself cause I thought the car was gunna roll*
"Listen... uhh if you don't wanna go out tonight that's fine. You aren't feeling well."
"No I'm ****ing fine. I just have a little cold. Where the **** do you want to go?"
"Well, like I said I only know a few bars. Are you sure you are ok?" (at this point I'm trying to get her to say she wants to go home)
"I told you to pick a ****ing bar. Figure it out."
*long silence*
"Please take me home. You need to go to bed or something. I don't know why you came out."
"Because if I didn't you would berate me for ****ing bailing on you."
"What the hell are you talking about?"
"Whatever."
"seriously, please turn around and take me home."
"FINE"

silence the whole way

although halfway home i texted my roommate "if im not home in 5 minutes ive been murdered"

Rule #1 - have a plan.
Rule #2 - do not get in car with psychos driving.

Usually that is the kind of conversation you have after you're married.

There was a plan. When she arrived at my house she announced she no longer wanted to go to that place.

Anyways I called an audible and am now going to grab a beer with a friend at one of the college bars. YGOS right?

This anti-TR stuff is stupid, especially when the TR's are as funny as Karak's.