You don't lie about the fact that in general you play games sometimes. You lie about what you were doing that specific time. I have no problem with lying in that situation because you can never be found out and you make everyone feel better by saying it.

I don't disagree with this -- the problem was the video games. Almost anything else that he was doing with the boys would have been fine and she'd be in the wrong for getting upset.

OK we get it you live in a clique world of rich people who live better lives than the rest of us scum

You can always be found out. Odds are low but not zero. Getting into the habit of lying about small inconsequential things to avoid being in the doghouse is a bad habit. You have to tell the truth and take the consequences.

There shouldn't be consequences in this situation... he didn't do anything wrong

Also, it is comical almost to the point of a level that you have infinite posts on a message board and then talk about wasting life

By the values held by most people he did. Guarantee that if he said almost anything other than video games she wouldn't have had any issue.

I don't think TV/video games an issue if you're just sitting around doing nothing. It's choosing them over your naked girlfriend waiting for you that's the issue. It just doesn't make any sense to me. It's not being a bitch or caving to your needy GF and in this particular situation.

If I was the gf I'd realize I couldn't technically be mad because he did come at 230 but I'd be concerned in general about his preferences

tbf this also depends on the relationship. it's not like he hid from his gf that he enjoyed playing video games with the boys. she knew that was a hobby and accepted it, but in this instance gotta go beat it up imo.

Participating on 2P2 is a bad but not a waste of life if done while doing something else. I'm posting while taking breaks from work. I would never actually spend time on 2p2 as my only reason for being at a computer.

That being said I would still be very embarrassed if people found out about my participation. This is not a view unique to myself as I am certain Mittens has expressed similar views on here.

henry im pretty sure youre in the minority, well over 90% of the guys i know play video games once in awhile.

not like 6 hrs everyday but theyll play a couple times a week at least.

It doesn't matter. Girls will grow to irrationally hate anything that consumes a large amount of time and generates no benefit. They will then react whenever that activity is pitted against them and wins.

It's weird I dont feel bad or wierd that I post on message boards online but like to kinda keep it quiet around my friends because none of them really do and I think it would change their preception of me.

Give me a standard breakdown of day in Henry life... I'm curious what is so worthwhile

I play videogames, but I see why it might be detrimental to your image. Right now I don't play enough to have it make an impact, but generally you shouldn't talk about it or try to avoid it. However, if you're really good at a game (travelling to events/tournaments and winning, so in this case there is a benefit to gaming) it might be a plus for a (small) subset of girls, and I can attest to this from own experience. You have to be careful though because for most it is still a drawback. You can also meet some fun people sometimes, but again, you have to be good because otherwise you'll only meet 13 year old halo kiddies.

So generally I agree with Henry, it's a bad thing and there are lots of better alternatives, although I'm not that extreme about it. I don't watch tv, and fill a small part of that time with playing video games. Not a big deal for the girls I hang out with. Gaming isn't that stigmatized as ten or even five years ago.

TR update about my own situation which I also posted about last time in this post. Sadly LKJ, it was not mulva.
Last post I made I was about this girl I talked to 3 hours for at/after a party, and apparently everyone thought this was really weird... We talked for maybe 20 minutes at the party, went home together, drank some more and talked the rest of the time, eventually had sex, and I left. I don't see the problem with that especially if you're enjoying the conversation and/or personality of the girl. I didn't get her name or phone number, which was a stupid mistake, but I expected to run into her again.
I didn't as of yet (but it's still likely in the coming weeks), so I checked facebook to see if I could find her. Not to friend add, but to see if I could get some general info. (That's pretty normal for me, trying to find someone on facebook not to friend them but just to get some more details... stalkerish, but if I don't make the mistake of saying stupid stuff to them but just try to guide the conversation sensibly with it it works for me and sometimes gives me an edge. Just don't every blatantly admit it or say anything about it.)

However, now she pulled the reverse on me. She can't have known more than my first name and my age and all my security settings are set to friends-only, and she didn't talk to the only good friend I had at the party I met her. She still managed to find me and friend request me. Somewhat creepy, but I got a chuckle out of it. I accepted the friend request and she made a wall post with an inside joke we had about food.

What is my play here? I think it's obvious I should invite her for dinner and make that specific food, but I don't really want to go to a restaurant to wine and dine her because I'm somewhat cheap, and there is no way this is going to be longterm because I will be moving out of the country in three weeks. Should I just invite her over so I'll cook, or what?
My first reactions was to just reply with 'Good idea, Friday?' and then later follow up with a time/location after her reaction. Is that any good?

I would understand if he was playing video games by himself, but playing with friends, he isnt necessarily choosing to play videos games over her, hes choosing to hang out with friends this time, over her.

breakdown of Henrys Life:

Get up, Jerk off to my 2p2 posts rinse repeat!?!?!

embarrassed? lol you need to stop worrying about what people think about what you do on your own time. there's plenty of things that i'm embarrassed about but what i decide to do for entertainment purposes certainly isn't one of them.

i don't think there's any difference between videogaming and watching a movie.

almost all of my friends play videogames, even if it means buying madden and only playing once a month when a friend comes over. they are all around 24-28 and cover the entire spectrum (white, non-white, plumbers, cops, ibankers, doctors, etc). you're definitely going to be in the minority here (although i admit gamers will be overrepresented on this forum) .

I do believe on a strict numbers count I would be in the minority. I know the size of the industry so obviously a lot of people play video games.

If someone is playing video games a couple of times a week that is likely around 15 hours a week on video games. If you reallocate that time to part time work you now have $150 in extra spending money. I'm much more likely to know the 21 year old student who works and has money to go out than the one who spends that time playing video games. That guys spend so much time on video games is one of the reasons I don't have any sympathy for the but we are just students and poor argument.

How did a couple times a week lead you to get the number being 15 hours?

This, exactly. And he's just temporarily choosing them too...he's still setting a reasonable timeline at which point he'll see her.

Toph mentioned that he works on top of doing school. Then he sees her a lot. It's only healthy that he takes a little time to unwind apart from her also...no matter how brainless the activity is.

He did absolutely nothing wrong.

Figure 3 times a week at 3-4 hours a shot. Then amortize the 24 hour sessions when a new popular game comes out over the rest of the weeks.

Part of the problem I see with video games is that the level of sophistication in the games has moved to a place where it is rather difficult to be a casual video game player. Most games require that you devote a considerable amount of time to them to be any good at them.

Playing FIFA, Halo, whatever with your bros is a ton of fun. I don't take issue with anyone who may not enjoy video games and say it isn't for them, but saying it's a waste of life/time is dumb. It's a fun social activity.

LKJ,

Even if you think he did nothing wrong I'm not sure that changes anything. value judgments aside the outcome that occurred is the predicted outcome. So ignoring all normative arguments for or against -- sometimes you still need to guide your actions based on pragmatism.

LKJ,

I hope my relationship never gets to the point where I need to unwind by playing video games instead of ****ing my girlfriend.

I agree Toph technically did nothing wrong but his behavior was strange, and I certainly understand his gf's point of view.

I have a bit of a bias against videogames since when I stopped playing them I basically stopped being a loser, and I've seen this effect on people I know too. I think in general playing video games has a negative connotation and is detrimental to your social life.