I'm saying that there is hot and heavy action in that tournament, players punting off routinely, despite you saying that BBA is an action killer.

Hey Tex, is their room discount codes? You seem to be the man always in the know about that

I haven’t heard yet but I will text the poker room manager and see if they have one yet. But I doubt it as I usually get it as soon as the hotel gives one to poker room so I can post it on my website and Facebook pages.

I've not seen many claiming it was an 'action killer' although it certainly alters play and not in a good way from my personal experience. You get far more people just sitting there and folding since they have no figurative skin in the game. With a traditional ante, they are incentivized to play some of the marginal holdings at least somewhere in an orbit precisely because they ARE putting money into every hand....

Either way, a NLHE event using a BBA, whether posted by big blind or by the button (since I have now seen both), is an event where my funds won't be in the prize pool. I don't exactly see people clamoring to play in a BBA event BECAUSE it was BBA (and have not seen people adopting the position that they were not going to play a traditional ante event). Thus it is a net loss to the poker economy...

Leaves more in my pockets for the cash games though...or to fly to the various series that offer non NLHE events (like Thunder Valley)...or to drive to places with a TD like Jimmy who realize that some of us with money like the traditional format or even, more simply, realize that the BBA is NOT the best approach.

I've never seen any person other than you categorically refuse to play either version, so I don't know how much either decision will impact the poker economy. You say no one is clamoring to play a BBA event, but I can certainly say no one (or one person) is clamoring to play traditional antes either.

I would wager whatever you want to that a poll of poker players who have played both would show a pretty heavy preference of BBA. I can certainly personally state that if there are 2 events that are otherwise the same, one being BBA and one being traditional ante, I will choose the BBA event. Same as I will play an event that plays 9 handed over one that plays 10 handed. I certainly will play 10-handed traditional ante events because I love playing poker tournaments, and have been pretty successful at it. I would never turn down playing an otherwise good and profitable tournament for a generally minor overall factor.

I again have not seen the issue you describe of folding because you don't have any money in. Only the worst poker players would take that mentality, since dead money in the pot creates the same pot odds situation, regardless of its source. I find it really hard to believe that there are many people at all who look down at K9o or whatever at 200/400/400 and don't want to play for those 1000 chips, but suddenly make it 200/400/50 and now they want to play for those 1000 chips simply because they put in two greens at the start of the hand.

Choctaw Wsopc room discount code is SERIES18.

FALL POKER SERIES | WSOP (2018)

Sun-Thurs
Fri/Sat
Spa/Grand
$79.00
$199.00
Inn/Lodge
$69.00
$179.00
*rates the same for 1 king or 2 queens

I’m assuming all ring events are re entry, however about half of the structure sheets don’t say if they are or not. Anyone know for sure? Thanks

All ring events are re-entry

For 5PM 2 day ring events, what time do players bag and tag? What time does day 2 restart? It wasn't immediately clear in the structure sheets.

Thanks in advance.

Restart will be 2pm. Bagging should be between 1:30-2am

I don't understand why the BB ante has to pay a full BB. Say former levels were 500/1000 with a 100 ante.

Why doesn't the BB put in 100 for each player in the hand? That way it would not punish the short handed tables. Why is that not an option?

That defeats a huge part of the speed issue by increasing the need for change, and increasing the amount of time that small chips need to stay on the table. I don't need random people trying to figure out what 7 x 75 is.

Recently, I caught a glimpse of the series put on by the Aria, can't remember the buy in but probably around 25k.

They showed a couple of tables on screen, and at each table were 5 players; there may have been more tables but memory eludes me but the level was 3k, 6k with a 6k big blind ante.

I glanced at a Venetian structure and at 3k,6k the ante was 1k and the ante was also 1k at the next level of 4k,8k.

You do the numbers.

The Aria series has low numbers of entrants( less than 100 and more likely 50+) in many of the events and so these guys are paying a premium amount for a pitiful structure across the board. I believe they do increase the starting stacks but do not know the numbers.

The Aria is using the big blind ante at all of their dailies and have increased their starting stacks to 12k from 10k but its an illusion, and again ,pathetic.

If there is any good in this type of ante system it is not for the player and was never meant to be for the player , even if the player that thinks his arm will fall off if he has to put in antes. LOL

There is no flaw in the regular ante system which has been replaced (at the Aria at least) by a poorly thought out system , supposedly and quietly to the house's advantage ( tournaments finish quicker but I don't think they do).

If the house wants to finish a tournament quicker then the route is to decrease the levels ( 30 minutes to 20 minutes or change the structure within) and somehow the thinking is that since the player supossedly gets more hands they can decrease levels to 20 minutes and the player will be better off, just wow !

The propaganda of change for a group that actually does not want to cater to the hoi polloi , those very players who made their room, like it or not.

Nice ridiculous post, including calling a structure pitiful without actually knowing the basics of it like start stack.

Not to mention that your premise is that BBA is some ruse to speed up tourneys but you point out that at 3k/6k a player antes 6k a round at BBA but in Venetian tourney would ante 1k a hand in traditional format. So they would average 8500 or so an orbit in traditional instead of 6k an orbit in BBA.

So, uh, how exactly is paying less per orbit SPEEDING UP a structure?

In my particular example, with 5 players at the table, each player would pay 30000 every 10 hands whereas if the Venetian as example the player would pay 28000 assuming that at the Venetian the tables were 5 handed.

But again , as I've posted many times its not all about the numbers which are static ; the important thing is that the play changes , yada,yada,yada as patience is gifted by the use of the big blind ante as players are more apt to "wait for their ship to come in".

If there is contention for pots then matters slow down and there will be a corresponding decrease in hands played. The conventional ante system acts against the "free patience" and will increase activity, thus slowing things down.

If someone "wants more hands" then he is obviously looking for a better hand to go in with , which we all do,but the idea that the big blind ante solves one's problem here is not compelling. We get more hands with the big blind ante (assuming this is at least marginally true) at the expense of activity.

For one, how many tournaments average five players at a table? The Aria Poker Masters is an outlier as compared to standard tournaments.

For two, you said that BBA is a scam by tourney operators to speed up the tournaments and then you turn around and say that it rewards patience and players are less likely to play.

Your arguments directly contradict each other.

What the tournament directors wanted and what they got can only be answered by them; they have the results.

Not all of us( players) have the same patience quotient but the big blind ante waters down some of the players strengths but doesn't give patience to the players as now the structure causes a lack of activity, not increased patience.

Are all Choctaw thread now just BB ante arguemenfs?

No, sometimes they are 5% payout arguments.

Tex or Jimmy, will the January schedule not come out until during/after this event? Thanks!

It should come out during the Oct/Nov wsooc.

meant Wsopc

please bring back big O in January! And maybe a horse please?

fyp

All ring events re entry correct?