lol 6.25% dealer toke.

nice equity

Your opinion which is fine but let me ask you this question:

For a $580 "ring event" with 25k for 1st place - do you think that with around 200 people entering only 11 should be coming back for day 2???

Here's another one for you - in the $365 re-entry event they had a little over 800 players for both days. Do you think the average stack coming into day 2 should be close to only 30bb???

Look if you have no problems with that I respect it - I just feel(although they are smaller buy-ins)the structure is not good at all, doesn't allow for too much post-flop play in the middle to deep stages of the tournament and the 30 min. levels are horrible.

Just my opinion and yes everyone has got one.

nice, right?? - lol

So another $580 yesterday and here's the breakdown:

1)195 total entrants and after 13 hours of play - ONLY 10 players are left. Beautiful.

2)Here are some of the final 10 chipstacks:

78,000
51,000
54,000
55,000
66,000
55,000

Nice, huh???

So if I am reading the structure schedule correctly, the blinds start tomorrow at 1000 ante, 4000-8000 with 50 min. levels. That means that 6/10 players have between 7-10 big blinds. Top notch.

The chip leader has 497,000 and 2 others have around 380,000.

So you guys can form your own conclusion, but if this is considered a "good structured" tournament - I'd hate to see a bad one.

Anyways, I've made my points regarding these wsop circuit events and that's all I can do. I really believe we as players deserve better than this but as long as people will play them, nothing will get better.

Sorry if this was already answered but for the main event this saturday, when r the flights?.. On the schedule it says 11 and 7 but on the structure sheet it says 12 and 5 and it plays 12 levels in day 1.. If it starts at 7 and plays 12 levels thats 3:30am and we turn clocks up an hour too lol.. Just wondering cuz im gonna be playing flight 2

Just playing 9 levels on day 1. Starts at 11:00 & 7:00.

Great thanks

Stop playing them

I did stop - left on Sunday, only playing the main and Borgata.

Ok so stop whining.

Any report on turnout/weather today? My wife says the shore got hit but shes a dolt? Thanks.

You call your wife a DOLT but tell me to stop whining.

Real winner right here.

I'd love to know what names you give your other family members.

Dad, Poppy, Uncle, Aunt, and Dolt.

But you are correct, I shouldnt playfully call my wife a dolt when she isn't a fraction of a whiny, stupid, malcontent as yourself. She just would make a terrible meteoroogist.

I am sorry Brookie, I will never use the same word to describe you as PSUMike1999.

stupid - wow. Didn't realize I was dealing with a brain surgeon over here.

I guess calling your wife names on a public forum really shows how much of a brainiac you really are. My bad Einstein.

this is fun. lets see mads be had

To be honest Joe, it really is not fun. I outlined some of the issues that myself and others have noticed in regards to the circuit events in the hope that it makes players more aware. I also did it in the hope that maybe if enough people mention them to mgmt at the wsop, certain aspects could be adjusted. Before I took a few years off from poker I used to play the circuit events back in 2005,2006. Although some of the buy-ins were higher(including the main), the structure and amount of time per level was much much better. Over the years imo it has gotten much worse.

I guess however, there will be always be dickheads who come out to insult - "whining", etc.. You know I am not doing this for my own benefit ,I posted this stuff because as a frequent tournament player I know what constitutes good structures and not so good ones.

This guy wants to tell me to stop whining, great -let him do it. He is probably the same type of person who will watch Harrah's increase their already ridiculous rake year after year and say nothing about it. I guess his motto is "Thank you sir can I have another". Wonderful.

you normally arent having fun if you're one of the mads mikey

True

I actually agree with this. The structure of the circuit events is awful and it's the reason I've stayed away although I will play the main. I also feel that the majority of the players at the final table should be sitting there with more than 10bb's. And if only 11 players make it through to day 2 and final tables are taking less than 2 hours to complete, then something is not right here.

WSOP doesn't care about the players. Jack (WSOPTD) continually says he's going to revisit the structure and never makes any changes. The other thing that kills me is that Day 1a of the main event is on Saturday at 11AM and Day 1b is on Saturday at 7PM. I don't understand why Day 1b can't be on Sunday. If you can't make it on Saturday, you're out of luck altogether.

And the Ladies' event is on Saturday and the Seniors' event is on Sunday...Day 1a/b of the main and Day 2 respectively. So if a woman wants to play in the ladies' event, she can't play in the main event and if a senior makes it to Day 2 of the main event, they can't play in the Senior's event. This doesn't make sense to me.

Add to that the fact that Caesars room rates are ridiculous and the dealer rake is higher than that of any other casino where I've previously played, takes it off the list of those tourneys I want to play.

I guess I'm just spoiled by Tab's great structures at The Borgata and the most recent Matt Glantz' designed Big Stax series at Parx. But who am I to complain....I'm just your average recreational player who obviously doesn't matter to the wsop. So the OP on this topic might be mad as you've said, but he's also correct.

The starting chips certainly had a significant bearing on the example I gave.
With only 40 bb to start (blinds began at 25-25), more than half of the field was gone in less than 3 hours.
There was no "later in the tournament" for them.

Bump 1 time, to see if anyone has info on this

+10000000000000000000000

Good point Jim

The WSOP circuit certainly isn't perfect, and their rakes/room rates/casino prices do approach scam levels often. But the WSOP brand and 2 day event structures bring out a ton of recreational players and get the tournament done with at minimum a reasonable amount of play at all stages. If the events took longer its likely much fewer amateurs would play, and our ROIs would go down significantly. Keep in mind too these are $300-500 events where honestly it doesn't make sense for the tournament to last longer than 2 days.

Also, the staff that travels around and administers these events do a great job and I would argue deserve the % of the prize pool that's withheld for them. It's ****ty at stops like these where the majority of dealers are house dealers that don't do a very good job, but otherwise it's well worth it, and some of the dealers here are travelers as well as most of the floors.

We can't have super long structures, soft amateur filled fields, tiny rake, and good dealers all at once. There's a balance that has to be reached, and it's unfortunate that Harrahs faces little competition in the tournament poker arena and continues to increase rakes and lower compensation to dealers but that's how economics go. All we can do is vote with our feet.

Also, if anyone wants a ride from Borgata to Caesars tomorrow before noon, hit me up on here or twitter (@tonymark01) I'd be happy to help out and save a cab fare

This is really well said. Just to play devils advocate to the talk of structures being awful: I sat in the 6 max today pretty card dead for 4.5 hours; picked my spots and hung around 10K for a while blah blah blah. Ended up busting after about 5 hours on two standard all in pre hands. I'm 21 and just starting to take live poker somewhat seriously. I played a lot online before Black Friday and was a winning tournament player.

That all being said, before today's event, the only tourneys I really had time for were small dinky dailies an what not. I felt like I had all the time in the world in this tournament and if my AK out flips TT I'd have a lot more time to outplay my table. I just feel like with all the extra levels that I'm not used to seeing (50/75, 150/300, 250/500, and was there 350/700 in this one??) that there's enough play to not go all out and say the structure is "awful." Can it be improved? Obviously, given so many are complaining about it. I assume it's better at other venues. But that doesn't necessarily make it awful, maybe just decent? Slightly below average?

And to address the issue of day 2 starting with very few survivors. Ill use today's event as an example. 292 entrants, 15 advance. The field was cut down to about 5% in 12 hours. Are we supposed to expect 50 to return? (Genuine question, I'm new with these tourneys but a small returning field doesn't seem bad to me) I do however feel very strongly that having 15 return at 3PM Thursday is MUCH better than having them continue play at 3AM Wednesday night - Thursday morning. And as far as there being a lot of short stacks returning...isn't that on them? Idk how half the field returns with < 10 BBs unless they're like all stalling to make day 2 or something. That seems to be on them more than on the structure imo but again I could be wrong.

Anyway, I understand frustration (65 entry fee on 300 buy in is ******ed) but I really had a good time with the event today (it's cool that they had a 6 max imo). I would play it again.