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06-14-2017 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AzOther1
I'm out after a bad morning, but I appreciate the support!

Also, I'm not Mike. I hope he fared better than I did.
Keep your head up, Mike!
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06-14-2017 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by patstap2
According to plog's tournament ratings, you'll get more play in the $1k.

http://www.rainbowspuppiessunshine.c...1=2017&s_Text=

888 at 59 S-points
$1k at 101 S-points

Both have a 10% rake

888 will probably have a higher prize pool with higher payouts.

888 will be played 8-handed making it a little more comfortable.

888 has a 4pm flight option (with 9 hours of play) with day 2 and 3 restarts at 2pm.

$1k has an earlier start time of 11am (with 10 hours of play) with noon restarts on day 2 and 3.

I prefer 8-handed play so that's the direction I'm leaning.
Thank you for this! Very helpful. I'm leaning 888.

So about the Crazy 8s tourney, is the structure that much better than Colossus? It looks to be the same structure except with 3,000 more starting chips. Just curious because Colossus gets such a bad wrap for its structure. Is that because of the massive amount of entrants? Or because you start with 3,000 less chips? Or is Crazy 8s almost as bad as Colossus?
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06-14-2017 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GGamblar
Thank you for this! Very helpful. I'm leaning 888.

So about the Crazy 8s tourney, is the structure that much better than Colossus? It looks to be the same structure except with 3,000 more starting chips. Just curious because Colossus gets such a bad wrap for its structure. Is that because of the massive amount of entrants? Or because you start with 3,000 less chips? Or is Crazy 8s almost as bad as Colossus?
Not a huge difference tween 888's S-point rating of 59 and Colossus's 50. Both start with 30 minute levels with same structure so the only difference is the starting stack.

Field size does not matter when figuring an S-point rating. It takes longer to wade through a larger field but, with more chips in play, the average chipstack is larger so the ratio of big blinds stays close to the same.

However, the 888 structure is much worse than the $1k.

The biggest difference isn't the starting stack, it's the level times. The 888 will use 30 minute levels on day 1 which greatly accelerates the blinds.

For instance, after about 435 minutes of play in the 888, each orbit will cost you over your starting stack of 8000 chips in blinds and antes. By comparison, you will get about 750 minutes of play in the $1k before each orbit will cost you your starting stack of 5000.

Another way to look at it: During the 10th hour of play in the $1k (level 10) each orbit will cost 2500 in blinds and antes (ten antes of 100, one small blind of 500, and one big blind of 1000). In the 10th hour of play in the 888 (level 19 on Day2) each orbit will cost 20,000 (eight antes of 1000, one small blind of 4000, and one big blind of 8000).

Quite a difference.
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06-14-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AuroraCee
Does Harrah's still have the shuttle bus to RIO ? thanks
No more shuttle from Ballys?? WTF! Now i gotta change where im staying for the main. How has it been to and from Harrahs?

Might just bite the bullet and stay at Rio
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06-14-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spoonieluv40
No more shuttle from Ballys?? WTF! Now i gotta change where im staying for the main. How has it been to and from Harrahs?

Might just bite the bullet and stay at Rio
Not that far of a walk from Ballys to Harrahs. I usually just stay at the Rio anyways and take the Harrahs shuttle or Uber to the strip.

If you stay at Ballys though you'll be walking distance to the tournament series running at PH and Aria.
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06-14-2017 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mr_chip72
Not that far of a walk from Ballys to Harrahs. I usually just stay at the Rio anyways and take the Harrahs shuttle or Uber to the strip.

If you stay at Ballys though you'll be walking distance to the tournament series running at PH and Aria.
If you're going to walk from Ballys to Harrahs to wait and take the shuttle to Rio (and hope you don't miss it), you might as well just walk from Ballys to Rio. Its about 30 minutes to the Rio, 15 to Harrahs. Of course when its 115 outside, walking can be a PIA no matter how long its for.

And yes, its a crock that the shuttle no longer goes to Ballys, which was a relatively central location for PH, Paris, Cromwell and Flamingo. Once again Caesars Entertainment really stepping up to add value to their customers' experience
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06-14-2017 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
That makes sense. Do you know if they provide unique entry figures anywhere?
Millionaire Maker
7761 total entries

4827 uniques
1977 2- bullets
750 3- bullets
207 4- bullets
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06-14-2017 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RedOak
Millionaire Maker
7761 total entries

4827 uniques
1977 2- bullets
750 3- bullets
207 4- bullets
How many uniques in 2016?
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06-14-2017 , 06:45 PM
do we think the colossus will be back in 2018?
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06-14-2017 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RedOak
Millionaire Maker
7761 total entries

4827 uniques
1977 2- bullets
750 3- bullets
207 4- bullets
Hmmm. That means only 730, or roughly 10% of the field bought in only once. Seems low, no?
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06-14-2017 , 07:07 PM
18000 entries? Why wouldn't it?
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06-14-2017 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
Hmmm. That means only 730, or roughly 10% of the field bought in only once. Seems low, no?
62% entered once. Right?
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06-14-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
If you're going to walk from Ballys to Harrahs to wait and take the shuttle to Rio (and hope you don't miss it), you might as well just walk from Ballys to Rio. Its about 30 minutes to the Rio, 15 to Harrahs. Of course when its 115 outside, walking can be a PIA no matter how long its for.

And yes, its a crock that the shuttle no longer goes to Ballys, which was a relatively central location for PH, Paris, Cromwell and Flamingo. Once again Caesars Entertainment really stepping up to add value to their customers' experience
Is there a shuttle from flamingo?
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06-14-2017 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mr_chip72
Not that far of a walk from Ballys to Harrahs. I usually just stay at the Rio anyways and take the Harrahs shuttle or Uber to the strip.

If you stay at Ballys though you'll be walking distance to the tournament series running at PH and Aria.
I've walked from Bally's to Rio, it's less than 30 minutes (in April, when it was like 78 degrees).
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06-14-2017 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dimeat
How many uniques in 2016?
5479. Almost a 12% decrease. Pretty steady 10-12% decrease across the board in every event thus far as far as I know.
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06-15-2017 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by spoonieluv40
No more shuttle from Ballys?? WTF! Now i gotta change where im staying for the main. How has it been to and from Harrahs?

Might just bite the bullet and stay at Rio
Just pay the $7 it is to take a lyft or uber each way. I'm all for frugal living but time saved + not having to stay at the Rio is easily worth $15/day imo There's also dozens of dudes on the strip handing out sign up codes so you can get your first ride or $x spent free anyway.
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06-15-2017 , 02:19 PM
The only event that an increase as far as I've seen was the $1500 6-max. 1748 this year opposed to 1400-1500 range last time. Milly maker went up but you can enter more times.

The card quality has taken a big hit as well, they were getting marked within 2-3 hands in the 2-7 tournament
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06-15-2017 , 02:34 PM
I've never played online wsop in Vegas and was thinking about doing some satellites. If I use my iPad can I only play one satellite at a time? Should I buy a laptop so I can multi table different satellites?
Thanks for any help.
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06-15-2017 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Julius187
The only event that an increase as far as I've seen was the $1500 6-max. 1748 this year opposed to 1400-1500 range last time. Milly maker went up but you can enter more times.

The card quality has taken a big hit as well, they were getting marked within 2-3 hands in the 2-7 tournament
Small holes or weird chemical marks? It might be time for someone to create cards that can't be marked via holes/tears and is resilient to chemical marking while still being cheap enough for major tournaments to use them.
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06-15-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah_CUtiger
62% entered once. Right?
Ahh, ok. I was reading it wrong. I thought it was showing how many people bought in at each number. Thanks, this makes more sense.
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06-15-2017 , 04:56 PM
Monster Stack questions:

Is it considered a good value tourney for $1,500?

Pro's and con's of playing from players that have played it? Would you play it again or what $1,500ish WSOP event would you play instead?

Thanks in advance!

Last edited by Cckid; 06-15-2017 at 05:04 PM.
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06-15-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
5479. Almost a 12% decrease. Pretty steady 10-12% decrease across the board in every event thus far as far as I know.
I think this kind of substantiates my claim about the change in schedule hurting attendance. I mean, looking at what's going on everywhere else in vegas, there doesn't seem to be a money availability, or other economic issue. That being said, I think we'll need to look at all the premier weekend events to make a better determination, so we'll have to wait a few more weeks.

Of course, if entries are up, then I guess the WSOP doesn't really care. But they ought to. If economic issues do start becoming a factor, they are going to need more bodies.
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06-15-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cckid
Monster Stack questions:

Is it considered a good value tourney for $1,500?

Pro's and con's of playing from players that have played it? Would you play it again or what would you play instead?

Thanks in advance!
This is pretty much the only WSOP ring event (other than the ME) I would play at this time. You get enough chips so early variance is less likely to ruin your day, and the structure is slow enough to get lots of play. IMO, its actually a little too slow early on. That's really my only knock on it. I think it would be better with like 18-20K starting chips and 40-45 minute levels day 1.

There are other tourneys around Vegas in the neighborhood of $1500 which are structured a bit better, but you certainly won't see a ~10MM prizepool anywhere else.

I predict attendance will be down this year, so we may only see ~8MM prizepool, but that's still tremendous. Also, its nice to have a such a large prizepool and still have a freeze-out format to balance out the large number of other multi or unlimited re-entry events.
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06-15-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by paulynuts
Is there a shuttle from flamingo?
Just Harrahs. Flamingo to Harrah's is about a 5-7 minute walk. Be aware the shuttle runs every 30 minutes or so and it only seat like 32 people, so get there early enough (unless you're a Diamond or 7-stars level Total Rewards, in which case yo get to go on first).
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06-15-2017 , 05:29 PM
whats best way of getting to Rio from Palazzo? Lyft?
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