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05-06-2017 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Yermomgoes2college
5k 6max?? I do agree with your points about marathon not being rec friendly but I think(rather I hope) you are overestimating the timing and structure as a detterant for rec players(I probably fall into that category). I believe this tournament will be a good price point alternative to the main for players to come out and take a shot at. I think the same players who would consider a shot at a 1500 like the monster will consider this as an alternative to take a week off work for a wsop shot given the additional "value".

I would be ok with being convinced otherwise however,as prior to the schedule release summer solstice and 1500LHE were my most anticipated events. Being that they occur on the same day I'm 95% sure I will play marathon.
I agree. I also think it can be hard to fathom how many people there are who are okay players, consider themselves much better than that and the difference between $1500 and $2620 means very little. But I also think that there may be as many people who dread a slower structure as much as I, and it seems you, personally enjoy it. My guess is 1500 entries.
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05-06-2017 , 02:53 PM
Also 10k 6-max.. didn't even realize that existed. As a side note I'm considering showing up a few days earlier than I had planned to play 1500 6max. I anticipate that and marathon, the first two events of my schedule, to be the toughest fields I play. I'm planning on a mix of 600-2ks until mid July.

My main point being that I expect marathon to be a competitive field but hopefully not as tough as some are anticipating.
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05-06-2017 , 09:01 PM
Some pros will skip the Marathon because it will not have a great ROI. Too long for the investment. For me, I cant wait.
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05-06-2017 , 09:27 PM
The Marathon is gonna be quite tough once it gets ITM. Yeah, 5k and 10k six maxes are gonna be tougher, duh, but not too many others.. definitely the toughest sub-$3k event (off the top of my head).
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05-06-2017 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Yermomgoes2college
5k 6max?? I do agree with your points about marathon not being rec friendly but I think(rather I hope) you are overestimating the timing and structure as a detterant for rec players(I probably fall into that category). I believe this tournament will be a good price point alternative to the main for players to come out and take a shot at. I think the same players who would consider a shot at a 1500 like the monster will consider this as an alternative to take a week off work for a wsop shot given the additional "value".

I would be ok with being convinced otherwise however,as prior to the schedule release summer solstice and 1500LHE were my most anticipated events. Being that they occur on the same day I'm 95% sure I will play marathon.
I'm not looking to convince anybody not to play the event. I too will be curious to see how well it does. However, I will be skipping it. It just doesn't present enough enticement to me given the time investment necessary just to reach the money.
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05-06-2017 , 11:14 PM
last years $2500 NL got just barely over 1000 runners. You will lose and gain some players because of the long levels. I would expect the same turn out.

It will be a great warm up for the 10k main.
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05-06-2017 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
I'm not looking to convince anybody not to play the event. I too will be curious to see how well it does. However, I will be skipping it. It just doesn't present enough enticement to me given the time investment necessary just to reach the money.
Pretty sure why less regs will play it and MORE rec players will play it. I cannot wait for it as I love deep structures.
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05-07-2017 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by busto23
Pretty sure why less regs will play it and MORE rec players will play it. I cannot wait for it as I love deep structures.
Rec players, pretty much by definition, do not have the same amount of time to invest in tournaments. To play a lengthy tourney like the Marathon, a rec player must take days off from their day job. To take days off for a final table, or even a pretty deep run, makes sense. To do so and not even have a sniff at the money, is not something most are willing to do unless there are extenuating circumstances. If this were a once in a lifetime opportunity, or a tournament that was more prestigious, or had a much bigger prizepool, I could see rec players doing so. But this is pretty much just a regular $2500 bracelet event with better structure. Maybe if this tourney had a Saturday start and was somehow guaranteed to make the money by the end of day 2 it might appeal to more recs. But as it stands, a rec would have to take two days off just to have any shot of making any money. For those who have lots of other options around this pricepoint, or lots of other options for less than this pricepoint, it seems one would have to have a really good reason to want to chose the Marathon.
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05-07-2017 , 10:45 AM
I originally had hopes of playing in the Marathon. Unfortunately, I am one of those that akashenk describes with commitments elsewhere. It would have been different if this were not the year I was turning 50. As such, I made the choice (and yes, it WAS a choice) to enter the Friday WSOP Seniors event and play through the weekend, returning to the office early the following week.

Aside from work considerations, I also have two pets at home that already don't see enough of me. As a result, I tend to try and limit my trips to no more than four full days away. The longest of the three journeys to LAS in June will be precisely that- leaving late one night with four full days and then then the flight back early in the AM.

I am hopeful the marathon does well enough to be a regular event. I would look to schedule next year around when it appears on the calendar. But, for this year...you only turn 50 once.
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05-07-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
Rec players, pretty much by definition, do not have the same amount of time to invest in tournaments. To play a lengthy tourney like the Marathon, a rec player must take days off from their day job. To take days off for a final table, or even a pretty deep run, makes sense. To do so and not even have a sniff at the money, is not something most are willing to do unless there are extenuating circumstances. If this were a once in a lifetime opportunity, or a tournament that was more prestigious, or had a much bigger prizepool, I could see rec players doing so. But this is pretty much just a regular $2500 bracelet event with better structure. Maybe if this tourney had a Saturday start and was somehow guaranteed to make the money by the end of day 2 it might appeal to more recs. But as it stands, a rec would have to take two days off just to have any shot of making any money. For those who have lots of other options around this pricepoint, or lots of other options for less than this pricepoint, it seems one would have to have a really good reason to want to chose the Marathon.
+1 - I am originally from the Northeast NJ/Philly area, live in FL now, travel back and forth several times a year. Was just talking to a rec fish friend of mine that plays poker. Last week there was a $365 down here, 20k starting chips 30 min day 1 levels, 50 min day 2. Told him that the structure at the Parx $340 in philly this weekend was amazing, 30k in chips, 45 minute day 1 levels, 60 on day 2 and less rake. His comment was that it sounded great but it would probably take too long. So definitely rec players that think this way.
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05-07-2017 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
Rec players, pretty much by definition, do not have the same amount of time to invest in tournaments. To play a lengthy tourney like the Marathon, a rec player must take days off from their day job. To take days off for a final table, or even a pretty deep run, makes sense. To do so and not even have a sniff at the money, is not something most are willing to do unless there are extenuating circumstances. If this were a once in a lifetime opportunity, or a tournament that was more prestigious, or had a much bigger prizepool, I could see rec players doing so. But this is pretty much just a regular $2500 bracelet event with better structure. Maybe if this tourney had a Saturday start and was somehow guaranteed to make the money by the end of day 2 it might appeal to more recs. But as it stands, a rec would have to take two days off just to have any shot of making any money. For those who have lots of other options around this pricepoint, or lots of other options for less than this pricepoint, it seems one would have to have a really good reason to want to chose the Marathon.
I'm pretty sure you're confused about what a "rec" player that fires $2,600 into one single tournament thinks. Or if you think they have trouble getting a couple of days off when they are firing the medium monthly salary on the economy in one bullet.
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05-07-2017 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by busto23
I'm pretty sure you're confused about what a "rec" player that fires $2,600 into one single tournament thinks. Or if you think they have trouble getting a couple of days off when they are firing the medium monthly salary on the economy in one bullet.
Agree with this - a rec that can/will fire $2500 in a single bullet is not likely to have problems getting a week off from work... at least IMHO (based entirely on my own prior experiences being a rec)
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05-07-2017 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JennD
Agree with this - a rec that can/will fire $2500 in a single bullet is not likely to have problems getting a week off from work... at least IMHO (based entirely on my own prior experiences being a rec)
This category of rec player is definitely the minority but people working internships or are relatively new at their job (like myself and my friends) basically can't take time off from work yet some of us do have money to fire (from poker success, working the job, and/or being rich mo-fos). But of course most people aged 21-30 are either poker pros or don't have $2620, which is why I note this is the minority.
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05-08-2017 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
This category of rec player is definitely the minority but people working internships or are relatively new at their job (like myself and my friends) basically can't take time off from work yet some of us do have money to fire (from poker success, working the job, and/or being rich mo-fos). But of course most people aged 21-30 are either poker pros or don't have $2620, which is why I note this is the minority.
If you are a rich mo-fo you can take a week off to play a new bracelet event with a super sick structure (if you like poker.) So you can cross the rich mo-fo off the list.

If you work a job that is in danger if you take a week off you probably shouldn't fire a $2.6k mtt regardless on when it is
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05-08-2017 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by busto23
If you are a rich mo-fo you can take a week off to play a new bracelet event with a super sick structure (if you like poker.) So you can cross the rich mo-fo off the list.

If you work a job that is in danger if you take a week off you probably shouldn't fire a $2.6k mtt regardless on when it is
agreed a rec with a normal job will probably not take a shot at this. $2600 is about a month of work for working class to blow on one tourney with taking a week off from work.
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05-08-2017 , 09:44 AM
There are several sites and casinos running satellites to this event tho...

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05-08-2017 , 09:49 AM
I know a lot of recs who go for a 7-14 day window and play tourneys during the summer. I think plenty of that kind of people will be there for a window that includes this tourney. So you wouldn't necessarily be taking the week for this tourney specifically, but if it lasts all week, awesome, if not, fire something else.
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05-08-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
I know a lot of recs who go for a 7-14 day window and play tourneys during the summer. I think plenty of that kind of people will be there for a window that includes this tourney. So you wouldn't necessarily be taking the week for this tourney specifically, but if it lasts all week, awesome, if not, fire something else.
This! Im a long time, serious rec. When I can I go for 7-10 days. Play a couple of WSOP events but mostly the side action because its more in my buyin range, more volume, and cash games are softest all year.

An entire trip costs me about 1 months total income (8k includes flight, room, some food/drinks and poker). Live poker isnt cheap, so rec players doing this do it for other reasons whether it be bucket list, vacation, side income, etc.

I think recs are willing to play a couple outside their BI range I assume thats 1-5k. But are ready to fire off multiple bullets at other side events with decent gtds (V 500k, GN 200k, etc). Less concerned with rake and more interested in structure & bigger prize pool. Why do you think RIO dailies do so well.

Anyways, Im rambling. I think Monster Stack is perfectly suited for a rec that has some extra vacation/sick days.

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05-08-2017 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by busto23
If you are a rich mo-fo you can take a week off to play a new bracelet event with a super sick structure (if you like poker.) So you can cross the rich mo-fo off the list.

If you work a job that is in danger if you take a week off you probably shouldn't fire a $2.6k mtt regardless on when it is
The two are not mutually exclusive. I am presuming I am not alone in that the buy-in isn't an issue. However, I have clients who could see their cases arrive at a Board office during that same time...I don't get to tell the Board 'hey, we need to hold that while I play poker for another week.' It is not a situation where the job itself is in danger, but rather the potential for harm to a client's case...
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05-08-2017 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
The two are not mutually exclusive. I am presuming I am not alone in that the buy-in isn't an issue. However, I have clients who could see their cases arrive at a Board office during that same time...I don't get to tell the Board 'hey, we need to hold that while I play poker for another week.' It is not a situation where the job itself is in danger, but rather the potential for harm to a client's case...
You need to reevaluate your priorities.
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05-08-2017 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
The two are not mutually exclusive. I am presuming I am not alone in that the buy-in isn't an issue. However, I have clients who could see their cases arrive at a Board office during that same time...I don't get to tell the Board 'hey, we need to hold that while I play poker for another week.' It is not a situation where the job itself is in danger, but rather the potential for harm to a client's case...
I mean, doesn't this apply to every WSOP event? Millionaire Maker starts on Saturday, won't end until Wednesday.
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05-08-2017 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
I mean, doesn't this apply to every WSOP event? Millionaire Maker starts on Saturday, won't end until Wednesday.
Milly Maker is not one that was ever on my radar...but at least a Saturday start means you get two days of play before you even needed to worry about work schedules for the traditional M-F work week.
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05-08-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
Milly Maker is not one that was ever on my radar...but at least a Saturday start means you get two days of play before you even needed to worry about work schedules for the traditional M-F work week.
Negative... day 1a on Sat, day 1b on Sun so day 2 doesnt start until Monday.

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05-08-2017 , 02:51 PM
One day, because Saturday is Day 1A and Sunday is Day 1B.

Which WSOP events are on your radar that don't interfere with work?
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05-08-2017 , 02:52 PM
O/U set at 1200 runners for summer solstice event...place your bets now..

I like the under.
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