WSOP- 2017 ?
07-30-2017
, 12:45 PM
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I'm confused on who they are targeting with The Giant. The buyin is too low for serious pros looking for serious money. While the buyin is appealing to rec players, especially if they're on a budget, they'll have to come back again a month later or so to play Day 2 if they make it that far. For rec players who work and/or have families, that's not a viable option. The whole event just seems odd and out of place, especially for a tournament series which prides itself as the best of the best.
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Then why make the buyin so low? Those people would rather have a higher buyin and a bigger prize pool. It seems like they thought low-roller recs like me would like it, but as soon as I saw it I knew I wasn't interested. Hell, Vegas is only an 8 hour drive for me, but I'm not going to take a second trip and maybe have to take time off work for what might amount to a couple hundred buck payout even if I last quite awhile into day 2.
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Are you going to play it? There sure isn't much buzz about it and you're the first one I've heard to express any interest whatsoever in the event. The Giant will be a flop. Yes, they'll have a couple thousand (unique entries) play but it will be far from "Giant." The need to come back for a day two narrows the potential field size too much.
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The Aria event two years ago was a huge success. I'm not sure this one will be as successful given the variety of alternatives, but I doubt it will be a flop. One thing they are not doing, which was likely a large contributing factor to the Aria's success, is putting out a big guarantee. That is what really drives rec numbers. Frankly, designing an event geared towards recs and not putting out a guarantee is a bit self-defeating.
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I'm aware of that. That's why Colossus is a hit. My point is those people who can't afford $1k+ buyin work for a living and can't afford to take off work to go back to Vegas a month later if they happen to make Day 2. So why even bother playing Day 1 when they can just do Colossus all in one trip for only a couple hundred more?
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I think some of you ae waaaay overestimating this event. Of course, no one really knows for sure. I'm sure the folks at the WSOP thought their "Carnival" series from a couple years ago would have been a much bigger hit than it was. And I doubt many really saw how big Colossus would be that first year. So, you just don't know for sure till it happens.
In any case, this Giant event definitely seems to be geared towards rec players with its price point and weekend schedule. Yet, its a turbo format, it has no guarantee, is a 7:00pm to 3:00 am tourney and requires the player to come to vegas twice to make any serious money. These are all decidedly anti-rec-player factors. It really seems quite self-defeating.
In thinking it over, I don't think this will be nearly that popular. I imagine the first 4 starting flights will only get a few hundred entries each. The 7/7 flight will likely be the largest, but its on the same day as the primary ME satellite day and the Ladies event. The Rio can only accommodate ~5000 players at a time, so I don't see this final flight getting much over 1K. They may even have to cap it if those 1PM and 4PM satellites are heavily attended.
At this point, I just don't think the Giant will eclipse 2000 entries total. But I guess we'll have a better idea once that first flight is in the books.
In any case, this Giant event definitely seems to be geared towards rec players with its price point and weekend schedule. Yet, its a turbo format, it has no guarantee, is a 7:00pm to 3:00 am tourney and requires the player to come to vegas twice to make any serious money. These are all decidedly anti-rec-player factors. It really seems quite self-defeating.
In thinking it over, I don't think this will be nearly that popular. I imagine the first 4 starting flights will only get a few hundred entries each. The 7/7 flight will likely be the largest, but its on the same day as the primary ME satellite day and the Ladies event. The Rio can only accommodate ~5000 players at a time, so I don't see this final flight getting much over 1K. They may even have to cap it if those 1PM and 4PM satellites are heavily attended.
At this point, I just don't think the Giant will eclipse 2000 entries total. But I guess we'll have a better idea once that first flight is in the books.
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They won't be happy with only 2,000. They call it The Giant because they expected it to be huge but not Colossus big. If they get under 10,000 uniques, and they will get far less, they'll be disappointed. I'm guessing it will be so bad they won't bring it back next year.
Dneg complained about Colossus being too cheap when it first came out. Does anyone follow him on twitter or anything and know if he has weighed in on The Giant?
Dneg complained about Colossus being too cheap when it first came out. Does anyone follow him on twitter or anything and know if he has weighed in on The Giant?
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The "Giant" will be a good case study in marketing. On its merits, it seems like the tourney should be a relative dud... nothing much more interesting than the other nightly DDS tourneys they have. But the WSOP put the word "Giant" on it. Based on similar tourneys and the other events going on on that Friday 7/7, I think 2000 total entries is a fair estimate. If they get much more than that, it will certainly be a testament to the power of slogans.
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I predict way fewer entries than other people are predicting. This is basically a 7pm Daily Deepstack that happens to award a bracelet, oh and you have to come back up to a month later if you make Day 2. I just don't see throngs of people, reg lines clear down the hall, for a Friday 7 p.m. $365er. But, I guess we'll see......
http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/resu...d=15619&dayof=
And this was definitely a much bigger success than I and other people expected. Looks like busto23 was closest with his pre-event predictions.
I'd be really curious to know the per-flight numbers and uniques. Anyone have access to that kind of info? I'm sure there were tons of multi-entries, but still, 10000 is nothing to sneeze at. I just can't believe so many people were willing to play a 7pm-4am turbo, just to get a shot at a decent prizepool and a bracelet. It seems like there were better options. But this just goes to show the power of the WSOP brand.
08-09-2017
, 09:16 PM
