Thanks, hope to see my cash in one of the results page in the future.

I sent in results and requested permission to post, but nothing I see yet.

Am I looking in the wrong place?

As of today, I see the results on Hendon for 9 events and on PokerPages for 8 events:

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/festival.php?a=r&n=6112
http://www.pokerpages.com/tournament/schedule3871.htm

Oh, and 9 events on CardPlayer as well:

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tour...poker-showdown

This is the first time I've ever seen a tournament take a deal made into account when they report the winnings to the sites.

http://www.pokerpages.com/tournament/result25497.htm

Also, LOL at 11 players playing a tournament where you start with 310 BBs and 40 min levels.

http://www.pokerpages.com/tournament/result25504.htm

Edit: Apparently there were actually 19 players in the tournament above, but PokerPages figures out the # entrants by dividing the prize pool by the buy in (wtf?). Since they changed the schedule to be $340's instead of $550's it gets the wrong # of entrants. Still pretty ridiculous to play in a ~10 hour 2 table tournament.

This is actually pretty standard, depending on the room. The sites typically report whatever they're given from the poker rooms. Some poker rooms report the deal, some poker rooms report the original prize pool.

I've been on both sides of this... my $10k win from Binion's from 2007 was a chop that they DID report, but my 4th for $6,809 from Venetian from February of this year was actually $13k that we made a 4 way deal on, and that was NOT reported.

Well again, I imagine they're reporting what they were given, so they were probably only given the finishers and prizes and the room forgot to mention the buyin or the # of entrants, so they just assumed. But yes, it's pretty ridiculous... I played 14 hours for a 3 table tournament and I got 4th!

The buy in is being included and entrants, but I will make sure we get the info tweaked.
There could be a titbit here and there missing.

How do I get the results posted here on 2+2 is the only problem I am having. This is the strictest forum, so I tread lightly. It appears I need to be added to a list before being allowed to post in the results section, and from what I understand, the only section allowed to have them.

I see you added links veerob and also that there are links to the events listings? I was told I couldn't do this here???

I really want to see WPS/CPT events discussed here. I know this series has tons of room for improvement, but this is one of many WPS and CPT will do together in the future. There are great locations planned.

Did you cash veerob? Looks like both Event 10 and 11 payed fourth, or was it Event 12th you played?

Also, even though along tourney, I loved the value and oppurtunity to play some tough players str8 up without the structure forcing me to gamble. That said, I am recreational so maybe I need to be schooled more about what was good and bad about this event.

Obviously the turnout is way to low, why is what confuses me. It has been listed and viewed on almost every major forum for months, and event schedules. Alot were excited to play.

Any thoughts?

Yes, I cashed... the $550 tournament of 31 I cashed in paid 5.

The FAQ on 2+2 I directed you said to PM Matt Savage or Shaun Deeb on 2+2 to get access to posting in that forum. Do that, or hit me up on PM if you have problems and I can chat with Matt.

There's been many thoughts posted on this thread about why attendance is so light, with my opinion being the following:

1. You're raping the player. I have gone over and over this. $59 rake on a $350 tournament is ridiculous when players can play a $330 at Bellagio daily for $39 rake, AND Bellagio gives food comps and a trophy.

2. It wasn't well advertised. Sure, it was listed online everywhere, but I don't believe print magazine ads were run. Yes, I'm sure they're costly, but well worth it. A full page ad for at least an issue or two in CardPlayer is a must, with Bluff and All In Magazine not hurting either.

3. The casino itself should have sent out mailers advertising the event to frequenters of its casino, or at least its poker room. This was not done.

4. It's just after the WSOP, and Vegas is pretty quiet right now, tournament wise. You're just not going to get huge numbers.

5. Bottom line, this is a new event. What is convincing players to come play this vs. waiting for Venetian in November? Absolutely nothing. They couldn't have been sure about field sizes, so people didn't travel. To promote a good tournament series, look at Pendleton. $15 entry fee on all tournaments, up to $10k added per event, and they feed you a buffet meal every night. It's no wonder they pack their poker room in every series!

Even though the comments so far haven't been too positive I'm actually looking forward playing the main event on saturday. I would just like to know what a number I can expect...I was told that 250+ canadians would play it but I don't know if I can trust that number. I hope to see a field of 300+ and I'm happy.

Any information about how many levels will be played per day? How long and often are the breaks and what about the dinner break?

See you guys next saturday, my flight from Germany is taking off tomorrow, staying at MGM by myself (sadly)...i'm excited

Cheers,

Patric

Absolutely no way there will be anything close to this number of players. My opinion is that it will be about 3 tables. Perhaps I will be wrong, we'll see.

lol 3 tables? No way...I would make a side bet that there will be at least 100+...you can't compare a main event with these small side events...I bet a lot of locals will show up for the main event because of the sick great structure and the buyin isn't too expensive nor too cheap so you play for some real money.

But I might be wrong, hopefully not.

Cheers,

Patric

How are those words tasting, pes4fans? We bet $1,000 right?

For the rest of you, I just called the Hard Rock and was told they have 5 tables for the main event, so 40-50 players.

Any word on the PLO event. I opted to not play, but am still curious as to the number of runners.

I was at the Hard Rock last night but forgot to ask. Didn't want to make whoever answered the phone do work to look up the PLO event.

60,000 chips and 50/100. That has to be the dumbest structure I've ever seen.

So the WSOP Main EVent with 30,000 chips and 50/100 blinds is the second dumbest structure you've ever seen?

No, because the ME actually has a good level progression and two hour levels, so it's a legit deep-stacked tournament.

The Hard Rock skips levels and has, what, 45 minute levels? So like most tournaments, it has too much play early and not enough later.

I wouldn't talk before I checked what's actually right.

The structure is awesome with 60k startingstack, 75min blinds
blinds:
50/100
100/200
150/300/50
200/400/50
300/600/100
400/800/100
500/1000/100

no real deep stacked poker he?

Btw u were right just 35 entries...Just got knocked out with QQ vs. Ad Td after xd xd Th flop...Still a great tournament, would come anytime back.

Cheers

Glad there is as much positive as negative thoughts on this series. There is room to improve for sure.

The $10 add on to dealer shouldn't slay the tourney, don't take it or don't tip when you win as this you already covered.

The higher rake is a negative, but give everything time to grow and better deals can be negotiated. This tourney is just right to atrract some soft players and tourists which should be a plus one. Dan Fleyshman has been cleaning up. Looking at the event results, there was alot of out of towners for the locals to play.

If you knocked of $20 bucks and threw in a steak sandwich, would attendance have improved drasticly? It's new and will take a few go's to get moving. The marketing improvements suggested would help.

The rake on the main seemed great to me, $150 on $2500? Remember there is alot more overhead to have dealers sitting for such long days in all the events. And the Hard Rock is pretty new in getting serious about poker.

Getting the word out in print and in e-mails, not sure how that got droped but was supposed to happen. WPS/CPT put out flyers in every Canadian Casino and there was resonable support from up here.

I drove 24 straight to make it down and play a bit. Hopefully this series countinues in a forward direction at the Hard Rock next year.

Pes4fans flys from Germany and has a blast, even if it wasn't perfect. I had a blast. The overlay in the online sats was a steal of a deal at twice the price.

I love the poker space and tunes at HR. Not the Venitian, no doubt, but efforts are being made and Kelly and Herb did their best to accomodate what the players asked for, the room etc.

IMO that rake won't cover 2 partners staying in Vegas for almost 3 weeks, at the Hard Rock, the costs of setting it up etc. They are looking forward, creating a new international tour and while to some it may not be the best deal out there, it certainly provides another option at the medium stakes.

I had a blast. If the Hard Rock structure was offered here in Alberta, BC or Saskatchewan, players would not only gladly pay, the event would cap and seats would be sold for double.

We would sat out half of them months before the event. The last few $550's here sold out, think it was 8 straight. 378 players in Regina, 209 here in Calgary for the final Canadian Open Event....Edmonton sold out. Anyway, here's hoping players give this a chance to grow before throwing up a huge dud sticker.

I will countinue to play WPS/CPT

Wrong again! At least 75% of Las Vegas tournaments are short-stack crapshoots. This CPT/WPS event at Hard Rock is one of the exceptions with a relatively great structure.

While the WSOP's $3,000 events had 9,000 in chips, where else can you play in a multi-day event with 60,000 chips and a lower buy-in? The $350 tournaments also had a lot of play with 15,000 chips and 40-minute levels.

I was unaware they added the 5x levels for the main. That helps a lot.

Edit to add: The point is that the whole idea of "deepstacked early = good structure" is wrong.

A good structure has a lot of play later in the tournament, when you're playing for a lot of money and it actually matters, and a relatively flat blind progression so that you don't have these random big jumps. Too many live "deepstack" tournaments give you tons of chips for pointless early play, but still turn into crapfests later on because of short levels and poor blind progression. The Venetian circa 2007 was the best example of this, but they've made huge improvements to their structures.

The first Hard Rock event I played in had a poor structure, because the first two levels were pointless and then we're jumping from 400/800 to 800/1600 in the span of 90 minutes. That's NOT a good structure. Is it better than an online turbo? Yeah. Duh. But it's not good.